SC Won't Start??

[Bob Kontak]

As promised. Key on. Jump with a wire in the fuel pump relay holes. Keep the relay on the bench. 30 and 87a. Terminal numbers are on the relay. Get your reading glasses.

Here is a good thread. Post #24 has a spiffy diagram.

fuel pump relay

[boyt911sc]

Originally Posted by vesnyder

I lifted the air plate inside the air filter box and it made a sound - could be the fuel pump, except it was making more noise than I would expect from a fuel pump. What does that tell me?

Vance,

Let's do this step by step and help you understanding what is going. With the ignition off, there should be no noise/sound coming from the engine bay.

a). Turn the ignition switch @ ON position (not start). The FP should not be runing and if it does, this is not a normal condition. There is an electrical problem. Go to the engine engine area and listen carefully for any faint sound (high pitch tone). This faint sound should be coming from the driver side (engine bay) and that's the CDI.

b). Remove the air filter and lift up the AFS plate very briefly. The FP will be activated and the buzzing sound you will hear is the NOT THE FP. And if you could hear the FP noise from the rear of the car, you have a very sensitive hearing or the FP is noisy. The sound you are hearing is coming from the fuel injectors. People have inadvertently mistaken time and again about this noise. While it is true that the sound appears as you lift up sensor plate, what you could hear is sound of the fuel injectors delivering fuel unless your FP is making a very loud noise while running.

When I test the cold control pressure using the FP relay socket to activate the FP, I could hear the FP from the front and barely noticeable noise at the back of the car. I am not deaf or hearing impaired just old. Anywy, if you could hear the FP from the rear of the car good for you and be thankful.

Now, with the FP running and not injecting fuel (jumpering 87a & 30) lift the sensor plate and listen again. The noise you will be hearing is more noticeable because it is the fuel injectors delivering high pressured fuel into the combustion chambers. Keep us posted.

Tony

[vesnyder]

Originally Posted by boyt911sc

Vance,

Let's do this step by step and help you understanding what is going. With the ignition off, there should be no noise/sound coming from the engine bay.

a). Turn the ignition switch @ ON position (not start). The FP should not be runing and if it does, this is not a normal condition. There is an electrical problem. Go to the engine engine area and listen carefully for any faint sound (high pitch tone). This faint sound should be coming from the driver side (engine bay) and that's the CDI.

b). Remove the air filter and lift up the AFS plate very briefly. The FP will be activated and the buzzing sound you will hear is the NOT THE FP. And if you could hear the FP noise from the rear of the car, you have a very sensitive hearing or the FP is noisy. The sound you are hearing is coming from the fuel injectors. People have inadvertently mistaken time and again about this noise. While it is true that the sound appears as you lift up sensor plate, what you could hear is sound of the fuel injectors delivering fuel unless your FP is making a very loud noise while running.

When I test the cold control pressure using the FP relay socket to activate the FP, I could hear the FP from the front and barely noticeable noise at the back of the car. I am not deaf or hearing impaired just old. Anywy, if you could hear the FP from the rear of the car good for you and be thankful.

Now, with the FP running and not injecting fuel (jumpering 87a & 30) lift the sensor plate and listen again. The noise you will be hearing is more noticeable because it is the fuel injectors delivering high pressured fuel into the combustion chambers. Keep us posted.

Tony

Definitely hear the CDI when the car is turned on. What exactly do I connect when jumpering 87a and 30?

No spark when I remove the main lead from the distributor?

[Vereeken]

If it turns out that this guy has another Bosch Silver Coil Made in Brazil we are going to have to do something about it

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by vesnyder

Definitely hear the CDI when the car is turned on. What exactly do I connect when jumpering 87a and 30?

No spark when I remove the main lead from the distributor?

Pull the relay out of the socket, and look at the underside. You will see numbers next to each pin, molded into the plastic bottom. Note which pins are marked 87a and 30, and into which holes in the socket those pins seat. Using a piece of wire, jump between hole 30 and hole 87a of the socket. Once done, the fuel pump will run as soon as the ignition switch is turned ON.

Is your second comment a statement of fact--you do not have spark? If so, that should be your first area to resolve, IMO. Confirm good spark, then move on to fuel pump/pressure issues if things are not resolved. If you have an inductive timing light you can test for spark relatively easily.

[vesnyder]

No spark - at least when I pulled out the main distributor end of the coil wire and had it next to the manifold. Trying to confirm no spark but challenging one man job. Stay tuned.

[vesnyder]

Definitely no spark. Is it the Brazilian ignition coil? It is about 10 years old. $180 - WOW? The reviews do not look promising.

[theiceman]

is your coil silver ?

if so you have found your problem I have a silver paperweight also. I went to a blaster coil and no issues . I got a used original as it looks better at a swap meet and now keep my blaster as a spare to loan to local friends when their Brazilian paper weight fails.

[theiceman]

Originally Posted by Vereeken

If it turns out that this guy has another Bosch Silver Coil Made in Brazil we are going to have to do something about it

I think we have been saying that for what , about 10 years now ?? problem is I don't think they sell the Bosch reliable black one anymore

[vesnyder]

Did you go with the "MSD High Vibration Blaster Coil"? A third of the price is tough to pass up. Sure would like to drive it this week - looking if I can find it local.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by vesnyder

Did you go with the "MSD High Vibration Blaster Coil"? A third of the price is tough to pass up. Sure would like to drive it this week - looking if I can find it local.

Summit Racing has it in east Akron on the shelf but that is a jaunt from Cleveburg.

Just looked up the 3 on Advanced Auto's website. They offer them. Check Auto Zone as well. They are usually cheaper. May have to wait a day or so for delivery. However, my local Auto Zone has it in stock per the web site. High vibration coil as well.

The Blaster 3 accepts a different wire. Go with the high vibration coil.

[theiceman]

Originally Posted by vesnyder

Did you go with the "MSD High Vibration Blaster Coil"? A third of the price is tough to pass up. Sure would like to drive it this week - looking if I can find it local.

yup that's what I used.
have you confirmed you had a silver one ?

[theiceman]

Originally Posted by vesnyder

Did you go with the "MSD High Vibration Blaster Coil"? A third of the price is tough to pass up. Sure would like to drive it this week - looking if I can find it local.

some are waiting for coils , others are waiting for clutch cables ( me ) we all have our crosses to bare my friend.

Im doing dr. colour chip while I wait .

[vesnyder]

Mine is definitely silver but not sure it is the Brazilian made one. I found the MSD coil locally at Auto Zone and will have on Saturday. Thanks for your help guys!

Bob - We will need to connect one of these days. My wife is from Canton and I worked for Timken out of Engineering school. I will ping you one of these times when I come down and do the same if you come up North!

[vesnyder]

Had good luck with the Dr. Colour Chip!

[theiceman]

yup if its silver , its Brazillian and dead ... I think it says made in Brazil right on it . We know those are terrible but it does bring us back to the original issue . Did leaving your ignition on kill the coil ? I wouldn't think so but the facts are in front of us.

[vesnyder]

Installed the new MSD ignition coil and id not start - UGH! Have not had much time to test it further but looks like it is not the coil. What do you recommend next?

I have the ignition switch on order and that is next but anything you recommend trying in the meantime?

[boyt911sc]

Originally Posted by vesnyder

Installed the new MSD ignition coil and id not start - UGH! Have not had much time to test it further but looks like it is not the coil. What do you recommend next?

I have the ignition switch on order and that is next but anything you recommend trying in the meantime?

Vance,

Install an inductive timing light and crank the engine. If you don't see any ignition signal while cranking, you will NEVER EVER be able to get the motor to run. Confirm this and keep us posted.

Tony

[vesnyder]

I used an in-line light to check if I am getting a spark and nothing. That rules out the ignition coil as teh culprit. Hope to get the ignition switch changed over the next week. In the meantime anything else I should check?

[boyt911sc]

Originally Posted by vesnyder

I used an in-line light to check if I am getting a spark and nothing. That rules out the ignition coil as teh culprit. Hope to get the ignition switch changed over the next week. In the meantime anything else I should check?

Vance,

I am little bit confused with your post above (first sentence). You were getting "nothing" and you ruled out the coil as a culprit? If there was no ignition signal, how would expect to get combustion? Maybe I am reading it differently. Thanks.

Tony