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Plug look like I'm Running lean?
New ngk bp6 1,000miles ago
What do you think, lean?
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Lean is a relative term. If that came out of my car, I would put larger jets in my carbs.
Most FI systems with smog controls will be relatively lean. What car did that come out of? I guess you could run your car on the dyno and make adjustments depending on your results.
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how many miles on the plug
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Looks perfect. Yours is clearly running correctly at stoch.
The true test would be to run it to redline in all the gears, and immediately shut down, and then read plugs. That will tell if lean. Looks like idle and part throttle AFR's are exactly where they should be. |
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With todays unleaded fuels, you can't tell much from plugs anymore.
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Ok thanks guys thoes plugs have 1k miles on them ,
I'm having some high rpm running issues. Loss of power above 4.5 k rpm. Car feels like it's not getting gas ? Maybe "feels" lean? I've recently replaced the following. Valve adjustment Cht 2 reference sensors O2 sensor Plugs Wires Cap&rotor Fuel filter Pre muffler & sport muffler Checked my tracks on afm Fuel pressure is 30psi at idle 37 with fpr disconnect. Checked for vac leak none , I'm getting a nice drop in rpm when I open the oil cap. Any suggestions ? Thank you Last edited by 911 sc; 07-22-2017 at 11:00 AM.. |
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Check continuity of "WOT switch".
Sounds like your WOT map in the DME is not getting triggered. This will cause your symptoms. It's where a traditional TPS is located on the throttlebody in black. |
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Yes checked wot switch with multimeter it's good and is engaging at 3/4 throttle .
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A bone-white insulator without any coloration suggests a very lean mixture, however one needs to know whether the ignition was cut at higher RPM or simply removed after idling for a few minutes. There is a very specific procedure for performing a plug cut to accurately read spark plugs.
I'd strongly recommend a chassis dyno session to confirm AFR's and whether its making proper HP to the wheels or not.
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Thanks Steve ,
I just cruised home from work at 60 mph no high rpm and parked it. I have no access to a dyno. do I have any other options? |
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seems you're looking to see what a wideband oxygensensor would show your mixture to be across rev ranges -- in other words whether it's leaning way out as your rpms increase. Easy to do on a dyno, but also can be done by replacing the standard oxygensensor with a wide band one and adding a logger yourself.
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An air fuel gauge is an easy install.
https://www.google.com/search?q=aem+air+fuel+gauge&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
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What do the other 5 plugs look like? That one almost looks like it was in a hole that wasn't running. certainly doesn't look like 1k miles
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weird... I'd check with the wide band next. It sure seems like you've covered most of the bases
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have you checked the pins at the DME connector for the throttle switch.
put the meter on those pins the go WOT. a BP6 plug and you most likely shut it down at idle, I don't think this is an indication of your problem. if it is then you are lean at idle too. try a BP7, not that that will fix your issue. (I don't know what most run in this car). really sounds like the DME is not going richer when it should. throttle switch problem as in the DME is being told to go richer or DME. maybe FP not delivering the required volume of fuel.
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Put it on tail pipe sniffer, answer all your q's.....
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It's odd running lean with 02 plugged in and rich unplugged ??
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