Testing Element fire extinguisher
 

Edit: vid of test is on page 3 post #49.



First off, no offense to anyone who owns an Element fire extinguisher. Concept and product seem brilliant but vid promoting it... not so brilliant---can't tell from promo vid if product genuinely works. And girl opening hood with fire below... dumbschool---not the girl, the creative team. Would think if product did work well that promo vid would capture that fact, but could be creative team's fault... not product's. So...

Am inclined to test Element myself with partners chipping in for amusement of it. Product is $80. Estimating shipping at $20. Total $100. Looking for 10 people to put in $10 each. Or, 20 to put $5. I'll order product, test, vid, and post results on YouTube. PM me if you want in---I'll provide my address. Checks only.

Will do fuel fire first. (Volunteer Porsche not needed.) If product works on fuel, magnesium test could be next if there's interest to continue.

Product is close to road flare size. If it works, great stuff.

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Disclaimer: I may take money and retire to Switzerland.

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OK Karl, I’m so curious that I’m in for $10 USD.
Johan

I'm in for $10

Count me in.

Rather lengthy thread over at Ferrarichat.com; may be useful:

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/element-fire-extinguisher-an-introduction.564980/page-2

PMs sent to you "in" guys.

ROW... interesting read in Ferrarichat---thanks. After reading it all I'm missing---from the maker or rep in the thread---exactly how the system works in terms of fire quenching. Maybe they're protecting proprietary info. Maker or rep admits video they have is poorly done... including opening a hood with a fire below being a bad idea. His suggestion is to supress the fire through the grill before opening the hood. No mention is made of hood release temp. It's all a bit odd to me---like a puzzle with missing pieces.

Bottom line... I don't see a dagger being stuck in this gizmo that would sensibly deem it DOA. Nor do I see the magic that clearly indicates it being a genuine worker.

... Our testing plan continues.

Look up the Sparco Fire eater. No longer sold by sparco, but it was the same type of extinguisher.

I would never set my 911 on fire just to see if an extinguisher works!

Can you please resend me PM for testing support?

I bought into it - 2 in fact; they are in transit, so not on hand yet. I don't know much about fire extinguishers, but when I went to look at one that I had in my house, I saw that it lacked proper pressure. As these allegedly have no expiration, I became intrigued. I also like the size.

Hopefully I never have to use it.

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Arrived :

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1517513144.JPG

Light, convenient - hopefully they work!

Jason

looks nice and powerfull
.I wonder why is on it Made in Italy??I did not find any store in Europe or Italy who would know about it?.........maybe Little Italy in New Your?

Ivan

OK, so who is going to actually test it? Should be easy, pour a pint of gas on the driveway, light it, then put it out. Who's game?

Made in Italy? Read the Ferrari link, not helpful. No real accurate data.

Check out this wiki on condensed aerosol fire suppression systems, which I think is how the Element works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condensed_aerosol_fire_suppression

There's a bunch of other articles referenced under the Further Reading section.

Mark

New video in post production right now. Also a piece coming on "Leno's Garage"

I have a similar Maus Xtin in each of my Porsches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIwSGpCC08Y&t=36s

Not to hijack the thread, but if anyone has a Kidde extinguisher in your home or car, check their website to see if it’s subject to their recall. An extinguisher that I had in my kitchen (from 1980) was recalled and they shipped a new one out promptly.

ya, & hurry! I was early in and they screwed up and sent me two of each of the three recall ones I had! I think it had to do with the fact I sent in the online form and realized I screwed up a detail so I called in to correct it.

I'm so flush with powder extinguishers currently I'm waiting for something to catch on fire near me!!!:D bummer is not one is fit for the 911 due to the powder...

I'm curious to see the results. is funding still needed for this test? I'm in! ill sell a couple of my kiddes

t


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Not the same type of system from what I read. But I read it off the internet...

That looks like it might be worth checking out. But again, if you read on the link above,
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/element-fire-extinguisher-an-introduction.564980/page-2

The Element supposedly ignites sort of like a road flair and the gas it emits smothers the fire?

So who is brave enough to demonstrate an Element.

If you have an Element, post closeups of it to show the chemicals it contains.....

Gordon and ALL...

Am going to VID an Element test. Would appreciate support from P-crowd to get into this!

Is simple enough for me to buy product and test... and thumbs up or down it. Is another thing to set up environment and video the performance of an Element to "group-proof standards." I'll set up and record this test provided a few of you guys express genuine interest in SEEing if the Element works or not.

Genuine interest = $10.

Genuine confirmations so far = 2 --- TY Will, Bruce. (8 total wanted.)

PM me for info.

For some reason our other post was sent to moderation for approval. Just want to let everyone know that new in action videos are available on our YouTube page and will be added to the website within the week.

element fire..i have a question for you ..Why is it on the package written, Made in Italy??

Ivan

WHERE IS ELEMENT MADE?
Element is designed and manufactured in Italy.

https://www.elementfire.com/faq-a/261.htm#8

https://www.elementfire.com/faq-a/261.htm#8

Hi Paul ,i called every possible manufacture of fire ext... in Italy and nobody knows about it??Where do you see it this link Italy all you see Canada and USA.Plus when you want to buy it from Europe none will sell it to you.
Do you mean this line??;-)"Element is designed and manufactured in Italy."
I am pretty sure it a nice extinguisher but made in Italy i very much doubt it....

Ivan

let`s wait for Element Fire to replay to my Q.

From the FAQ page link above it also states:
Originating in Italy, Element has been certified in Europe by CE and TUV (in addition to other international certifications). Currently within North America, Underwriters Laboratories (UL) does not yet have a testing standard written from which to certify Element. For this reason Element cannot be used to substitute extinguishers in regulated environments that require a UL (or UL endorsed) certification. Element however can freely be used as a supplemental extinguisher in these environments and as a primary extinguisher where there is no regulation (car, home, personal garage, etc.)

Hi Paul..again i do not really want to argue..but believe me i called everywhere in Germany (tuv) or in Italy and nobody ever heard about it...of course it does not take away the product quality...i just wondered and investigated that is all;-)
Ivan

No worries. I'm just relaying what is written on their FAQ page.

ok..cool.. in this case let`s really wait for an answer from the right boy Element Fire;-)

Ivan
i just thought if they put on the package made in the USA or made in Canada that would make sense;-)Why would you worry about any TUV tests in the Americas??

Ivan,

This may shed some light:

FSS Distributors

Hi Paul you better skills ..I just emailed to the main office..on top left but it is also saying Canada USA and Mexico.....
i guess i have nothing else to do, or?Still waiting for Element Fire response...;-)

Ivan

Thanx Paul i have sent 4 mail to all the European distributors..If it is real many of Porsche 911 forum In France dudes will be happy;-)

Ivan

all cleared out ..it is not called Element Fire in Europe..original name is Suppression Systems Fire

Just got mail from a suppliers..
Thanx Paul

Ivan

Ivan,

Glad to help. Be well

Gentlemen thank you for your interest. As your have rightly determined Element is a brand that exists primarily in North America. We have gone through the extensive process of certifying the product for sale over here and hold the exclusive distributorship of the product in the Western Hemisphere. Element is manufactured in Italy as it states on our package and is distributed from our North American offices. I hope this puts to ease any doubts and explains our packaging.

Regarding certifications, as quoted above, we are in the process of getting UL to recognize our technology and different packaging as their current standards do not account for Element's design. While not legally relevant in North America, obtaining TUV approval is very difficult and in many ways much more arduous than getting UL. We are proud of the TUV approval and consider it a badge of quality and performance even if it is not 'legally' relevant in the USA.

In the next few months we hope to really raise the profile of Element and (being car guys ourselves) are starting to do so in the car community. Last week we filmed a piece for Jay Leno's Garage that should air within the month and we are constantly working on generating better videos and content for our website to help customers better understand the product.

I hope this helps. Moderators we just want to contribute to this thread and not infringe on any commercial rules.

Are you working with any of the insurance companies to get their blessing? It would be great to see this be recognized by AAA.

What about marine approval? Solas are fairly strict and their endorsement would weigh heavily as well.

Johan

We are currently in discussions with some of the classic car insurance companies and big car shows to recognize and endorse Element. We have been endorsed and written into the rule books of one race championship so far for 2018 and are also actively discussing with several other race and DE groups. One of the blessings/curses of this product is that there are so many avenues for distribution that every day it is a question of choosing which to pursue so the future is pretty exciting but incredibly busy.

Regarding marine approval, in the US marine defaults to UL for their standard and it is totally un-bending. When UL comes boating will come by default but until then we can only legally sell the product as a supplement and not a substitute by what is legally required. Luckily as long as you have what is required by law (no matter how buried it is) then you are totally free to have and use Element. Personal cars and your home for instance have no legal requirements so having an Element is a free choice without having to supplement it with anything else.

I don't see a rating for this extinguisher?

PCA requires a 10BC for DEs?

We are actually in discussions with the PCA right now to figure this out. Our certifications are European based and the North American ratings (like 10BC for instance) are not a straight conversion (think metric vs imperial bolt sizes). Once this gets sorted the approvals would be published by the PCA.