What the difference between a 912 and 911?

[72porsche914]

Besides the motor, what are the other differences? Is the interior the same? I bought one yesterday and im new to them.

[Ads912]

Hi,
Pick up a copy of "The 911 & 912 Porsche" by Dr. B. Johnson. It is an authenticity guide and shows all the details. They are esentially the same car.
Adam.

[josh912]

The 912's had less options. They originaly had only 3 gauges compared to the 911's 5. The 911's also suppossedly had a roll cage??? The 912 didn't have a standard radio and had smaller cheaper wheels and tires. The 912's however could be optioned up to that of the 911, which was fairly common in the US. So basicly the 912 is the same as the 911 except for the engine. Hope this helped...Some

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Joshua Harrison
1968 912 Coupe

[ScotMcLean]

Here's a page that should answer most of your questions.

http://www.912registry.org/history.htm

You'll find 65-67 911/912 and 68-69 991/912's on different lines in most of the catalogs as there are a number of part changes.

65-67's fenders are not as flaired, their rear brake rotors are slightly different, cv joint bolt pattern is distinct, etc.

Just think of it as an evolution and look for the subtle changes - Ads912 is right - Johnson will cover it.

[72porsche914]

Do I have a 911 then? IT has 5 gauges, a very old factory blaupunkt radio, and a map light. The car has no title and I bought from my uncle(who had the car 1 day) who had bought it from a kid at a welding shop. He said it was 912.


It is green with black interior(original color), has very old Cibi head lights, wood steering wheel, silver painted steel wheels, and looks to have black trim (paint mostly gone, revealing almost new looking chrome).

VIN number is 12801428.

Thanks for the help.

[This message has been edited by 72porsche914 (edited 03-24-2001).]

[josh912]

That is a 1968 912 VIN number

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Joshua Harrison
1968 912 Coupe

[ScotMcLean]

Five guages came as an option. Examine the wood steering wheel. There was an option for this but there was also the option for a signed Nardi wood steering wheel. It is not worth the same as an early 356 Nardi wheel w/ the small diameter horn ring ($1000+) but if it is in nice condition, it may fetch $500. Standard wood wheels sell for somewhat less.

VIN checks out - go to the 912 Registry to learn more/register.

[Roland Kunz]

Hello

Just ask factory cardex to make it clear. The hidden number is under the radio cutout behind the knee bolster.

5 instrument set up was option like on later 911 T.

Main difference in 911 body is the holes for the oiltank.

Grüsse

[AirJose]

YOU HAVE A 912, a 1968 Karmann Coupe
according to the VIN you posted. In that year the white on black gauges first appeared, 5 gauges were optional; Your dash should be covered in a toothhound vinyl over a stainless steel sheet background. It had a factory blaupunkt radio with black buttons(original), Hope your dash is in good shape since it was a one year only. Check for Rust!! Good Luck.

[This message has been edited by AirJose (edited 03-25-2001).]

[Greg K]

Well just got a 912 this weekend and it has five gages in it but the far left gage is something that I have never seen before it has alot of small numbers and has celsius farenheit markings on it looks like a barometer or something?? any ideas. It looks like this car had alot of options chrome wheels bumper bars 5 speed it is a 66 912 were these things an options for that car? thanks Greg

[josh912]

Greg, yes those were options for the 912. In 1966 the 912 came standard with painted steel wheels, 4 speed, and 3 guages. As for your left guage, mine is a fuel guage. Is it the temp guage? I know the temp guages without the numerical values had SMALL numbers on them to calibrate them. Thats the only thing I can think off. Maybe its aftermarket?

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Joshua Harrison
1968 912 Coupe

[Greg K]

josh the temp gauge is in the second one but it looks like some type of temp gauge it does have real small numbers it has a red +&- at about 10:00?? it only goes to about 90

[josh912]

Greg, could you post a picture of the guage?

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Joshua Harrison
1968 912 Coupe

[Greg K]

I have no way of doing that I dont even know how to. You need some kind of scaner or some thing or digital camera?? I will see what I can do Greg

[hikmet]

greg, the gauge you are talking about is a outside temperature gauge (called "ambient temperature gauge"). here is a picture link of my carsī : http://www.912registry.org/images/65/sugoer4.jpg

the 5 gauge dash was standard in 1967 (and after), only the first 2 years the 912 was equipped with 3 gauges (and the other 2 optional).

[metchka]

Originally Posted by hikmet

greg, the gauge you are talking about is a outside temperature gauge (called "ambient temperature gauge"). here is a picture link of my carsī : http://www.912registry.org/images/65/sugoer4.jpg

the 5 gauge dash was standard in 1967 (and after), only the first 2 years the 912 was equipped with 3 gauges (and the other 2 optional).

[Aldo]

So much mis-information in this thread!
911's didn't have roll cages- they had roll bars( suspension additions). Some had front only some front and rear. 912's had none or front only.
All 912's from '67 on had 5 gauges- they weren't optional.
Dash trim/face was brushed metal (optionally wood) until '69, when it became basketweave vinyl.

[micheloaks]

IMPORTANTLY a

912 is lighter and arguably more fun to punt through corners

[duetto66]

forgive me for usurping this thread to ask this additional question but the responders seem to be very knowledgeable regarding the distinctions so here is my question. Is the factory wiring harness and PET number the same for a 69 911 and 912 with just a few leads not used. I was told this is true for earlier 911/912s but could not verify for 69. The factory link to the parts catalog that I could access has a 69 911 but unless I'm missing something I couldn't find the 912 so i couldn't compare parts numbers. thanks.

[Jaems]

There was only one wiring harness for both the 912 and 911. It was more cost effective to make one harness to fit all. You will not find a wiring diagram for a 69 912. You have to use both the 69 911 one and the early 912. The 69 had 5 gauges as standard. The 912 had more idiot lights and less analog reading gauges. From 67 on it was easier and quicker to just stamp 5 holes than 3 and 5 and figure out if this is a 5 hole or 3 hole 912. So instrumentation, engine and trim was the main difference between the 911 and 912. Except for the engine, everything else could be added to a 912, it was only money. However, if you were going to add all the options. You might as well purchased the 911S.

The 356 owners felt more comfortable with the 912 when it was first introduced. They knew the 912 616/36 engine and the 911 engine was still a unknown quantity. By 67 and the 911S this started to change.