early 65 912??

gregk1 · 11-09-2009, 05:46 AM

just bought at auction a 65 912 vin 350159 from what i have found to be the 159 65 912 made?? it has a fife gauge dash and 128 fogs solid car painted green will have mor info and pic's this afternoon

Rick Becker · 11-09-2009, 10:24 AM

Congrats on your purchase! Is the dashboard painted?

That VIN is for 912 #159 chassis from the Porsche factory... there would also be 912 #450159, a chassis made by Karmann the same year

check out 912 Registry SiteMap :: Porsche (TM) 912 & 912E owners worldwide! for the VIN Table page, paint code page, original specs, etc.

gregk1 · 11-09-2009, 03:28 PM

well it does have only three gages and the dash was painted green it is black now. it started right up but has a bad leak in the oil cooler and a lower oil filter line loOKs like the front pan was replaced and some fiberglass work on some of the floor boards. i don't see any real cancer holes anywhere maby a pre POR 15 fix. paint is OK some small bubbles hear and there rockers are solid with no sign of replacement i will find out more once i get it on my lift and give it a good once over

Mike Lawrence · 11-09-2009, 08:19 PM

Congrats on the purchase I have a '65 vin # 350554 I was looking at your engine bay photo and it looks like it has a rear engine bracket from a newer car.

gregk1 · 11-10-2009, 06:23 AM

that could be i have parted and worked on 912's but never owend one i cain't tell early from late 912's 911 yes it may have a later engine but haven't had time to check
the oil cooler realy shoots it out the engine souns good but we will see when it gets to running temp
the tranny looks rebuilt or some one shined it up with a tooth brush it has the lobro axels
overall the car on a sacle of 1-10 it is a easy 7 now i will bump it up a bit in time

fbarrett · fbarrett's Garage

Greg:

Looks like you rescued an interesting car. The rear engine mount is a later part, which is not unusual. The original--a flat plate, solidly mounted at each end--transmitted more noise and vibration to the chassis, so the conversion was popular. From what you write, it sounds as if you have a leaky oil cooler, which is not unusual. Don't run the engine until you fix it. You'll need to remove the engine then take off the fan shroud so you can see what's cracked. You can buy new seals, even a new cooler, if not from Pelican, from S*t*o*d*d*a*r*d Imported Cars in Ohio.

The dash is usually painted body color, and it's not unusual to find that the two outer instruments were added later.

Frank
451326 (Karmann-bodied US model, delivered August '65 in Germany)

gregk1 · 11-15-2009, 07:27 AM

yes it is the oil cooler i removed the genarator and fan that is where it is at i just need to get it on the lift and drop the engine stick a new one on looks like the VW coolers are close to the same

fbarrett · fbarrett's Garage

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Originally Posted by gregk1

looks like the VW coolers are close to the same

Greg:

I don't know, but if you're thinking of using a VW cooler, I'd really hesitate to do so. Not worth risking the rest of your early engine to save a few bucks.

Frank

gregk1 · 11-28-2009, 07:43 AM

i will check into that i don't want to mess any thing up for sure. the car will be in AZ so a cooler is important. i need to get it apart and see how bad it is .and maby be able to repair it ?? if the thing is someway rotten and just wind up with the same problem all over agen don't want that ether. i should have it apart within the next few days

edc153 · 11-29-2009, 10:01 PM

Ha! Another real oldie, I am just now getting my 65 ready to sell, it is number 124 in the same Porsche factory series.

huff923 · 11-30-2009, 05:49 AM

I also have an early 65 912, in the 351400s or so. The dash has been modified by POs, can't really tell what was there. Does anybody have any idea at what serial number they stopped painting the dash?

gregk1 · 12-02-2009, 04:43 PM

well been busy on the 912 engine pulled it out of the car. and removed all tin (what a puzzle) and oil cooler . the oil cooler had a pin hole in it , so I got out the torch and sodder and fixed it right up. cost me $20 for a pressure test to 100 PSI good to go. the P&C's have a number 82 ZD 2 MAHLE on the base and are very clean condition i looked in the oil filter and not a speck of metal anywhere in the oil the engine# 754732 / 105224 / 616/32 the trans is 902/1 I will get the trans # after i get it back in the car and i can see it
the solix carbs look like there right out of the box new ??
some pic's of what it looks like now

Jaems · 12-03-2009, 12:17 PM

Interesting all early 912 engines cases have 616/36. The 616/32 could mean that it was a 356 or industrial engine case. I can't find my books that has those listed in it.

gregk1 · 12-03-2009, 04:39 PM

i will double check that # and see i it is a 6 or a 2

Matt Monson · 12-03-2009, 06:18 PM

That engine serial number is for a '67 if it is in fact a 616/36.

gregk1 · 12-06-2009, 06:46 AM

it is a 36 so that makes this a 67?
i ran the engine today and it has a problem that looks like a head gasket
it is blowing exhaust and some oil out of the heater box on the right rear cylinder
could it be that or is it the cracked head thing???

gregk1 · 12-06-2009, 02:00 PM

well found out what is was cracked cylinder on the forward righthand side.
when i pulled the air box and all the tin off to fix the oil cooler i did notice there was a lot of oil soaked mud between the cooling fins.it must have got real hot in that little spot. looks like all the oil washing around in the fan and box washed alot of dirt between the cylinders so anyone have a mahale 82 cylinder laying around the would like to part with??

lane912 · 12-06-2009, 03:09 PM

well theres your problem!

wdfifteen · wdfifteen's Garage

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Originally Posted by gregk1

well found out what is was cracked cylinder on the forward righthand side.
when i pulled the air box and all the tin off to fix the oil cooler i did notice there was a lot of oil soaked mud between the cooling fins.it must have got real hot in that little spot. looks like all the oil washing around in the fan and box washed alot of dirt between the cylinders so anyone have a mahale 82 cylinder laying around the would like to part with??

You want to replace one cylinder? Are you planning to stick it back together to sell to someone or do you want a nice, interesting car to drive? If you want a car, rebuild the engine. These 3 bearing engines aren't as strong as a 911. Doing a "top end" or piecing together an engine out of parts on a 356 (and this is a 356 engine) isn't the same as on a 911.
I would never recommend a "fix up" on a 356 engine that has this much damage. Tear it down, start from the bottom, and made a strong, reliable motor out of it if you want to drive it. If you just want to get it ready to sell, well ... let your conscience be your guide.

gregk1 · 12-07-2009, 08:15 AM

i am just going o sell it i have 6 911's to drive so a total rebuild is not going to happen
everything else looks great and seem to run fine other than the leek in the cylinder. the cylinders have a steal/iron sleeve in them so getting a good in spec jug would not be a bad thing. the mud blocking the fins and restricting the air flow in that spot is the only reason for the thing to crack .the leak down test came in around 6 to7% overall so the engine isn't a wore out or on it's last leg we shal see
I'm not one to sell someone a bill of goods or something that will fail a few miles down the road