Missing my baby

[macman]

Unlike almost everyone on this bbs, i am also 18. I do believe that what you did was right. It is our duty to stand up for the 914. What you did, was put the thought in some peoples minds that the 914 is more car than it appers to be....that is IF you won. Something to keep in mind, the 914, is not a drag car (unless you took out the stock engine and replaced it with a 3.3 turbo), if you want to show people what the car is really made of, tell them you want to race on the most curvy road in town, you will be suprised how little "american mussle" cars can do around a 90 degree turn, I have burned many cars this way (jag xke, beefed up mustangs, and depending on the driver, you can sometimes take on a fararri). My advise to you, is DUMP YOUR GIRLFRIEND! because she could of quite possibly taken your ability to drive away from you for the next couple of years.
my 2 cents.

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Michael Scheid
(206) 232-9854

[oredith]

Michael..

interesting comment on dumping the GF.. just where would our pal Jim be when trial comes around and he freshly dumped his GF?..

I feel your pain Jim, but i'd look at this as a hard lesson learned, and take what you can out of it, rather than be resentful and make the same mistake again (become better at spotting cops?.. j/k) hope things work out,

Jeff

ps. what are these "fararries".. I don't think i've ever seen one of THOSE..

[This message has been edited by oredith (edited 11-10-1999).]

[S Schroeder]

Hi Jim-
Not to confuse the issue, but I had a similar experience when I was in college. A group of us were extremely deep into the autocross thing, racing prepared class VW GTI's - we thought we were pretty cool. We were sort of the original loud exhaust and sticker cars, my car said Oetinger all the way down the side - IN 1987! Anyway, after a local event we were on our way back to campus. We ended up three a breast at a stop light and let her rip - right by a cop. We scattered down side streets and he followed me. I got a ticket for display of speed, wreckless driving and doing 20 miles over the posted limit. I apologized to the officer, and waited for my day in court. Being that I had never had a ticket or accident, I requested to speak to the DA on duty. I basically told him that this was not my usual driving habit (as he could see by my record) it was just a time and place thing that would never happen again - basically I was wrong to do it, and threw myself on the mercy of the court. The 20+ ticket stood, I was in drivers school for a month and if I received any moving violations is 2 years the other two tickets would be re-instated. Not to preach, but it would seem that a great deal of people think that they can do no wrong, and point the blame to someone else, hence the amount of law suits today. I think honesty it the best way to approach a confict, and if your wrong you accept it and learn from it. As far as the prior post on defending you cars honor, it's bunk. Wanna have some fun? The next time your propositioned on the highway, do nothing -except maybe wave- that will get under their skin more than if you beat them in a race. I am not saying I don't enjoy a mountain road once in a while, but when it comes to city driving It's not worth it. If you want to race, go to a track.
Best of luck-
Scott S

[Jim Osborn]

The problem is it was just a freak incident. Usually some friends and I would go out and watch others race but it has died down in the last 8 months. We were bored (I know this is no excuse) and were just screwin' around with our cars and my friend was hipen' my car to someone we had only known for a couple of weeks and we wanted to see who's car was faster. It was a 1.9L Escort GT with some stickers so I figured he was compitetion so I showed him up.(stupidity and egotistical epitomy-I know) Anyway my car was faster with a carbed 2.0L with a cam(completely not tuned and I have a vaccum leak and a bad tranny-trying to give myself a reason to pull it out and replace the tranny). I did learn a lesson, it's not worth it to race on the street. I went down to the tow yard to collect my school books and my windows were rolled up. I wanted to pull out my Alpine deck so no-one would get any ideas and he wouldn't let me because it was attached to the car. I asked him what guarantee he would give me that things would not disapear? He told me to look where my car was parked. He pointed to four cameras on either side of the yard and told me that he parked my car in the middile because it was the only one that was worth anything in the yard and he would make sure it was safe. He was really cool about it.
What the heck was that comment about my "girl friend"? Look how it was worded! That would just be f@!&*# up if I "dumped" her when it wasn't her fault it was my own and the cop just played on the fact that she was distraught! I don't know how you treat your women but you need to learn some manners and some respect!




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THE NIGHT TIME IS THE RIGHT TIME

***AGENT 009, JAMES BONDO***

[Neal Colingham]

I also think honesty is the best policy, I have not had a ticket in 15+ years but last year I was pulled over twice by the Washington State Patrol. Once was on my wifes
Suzuki GS550 for doing 70+ in a 60, cop asked
the obligitory "Do you know how fast you were
going", I said yes and that I had no excuse.
Ran my license and scolded me ** no ticket **
second was I was pulled over on my GSXR 750
fo 75+ in a 35, it was up a hill and no one on earth can go 35 up hill, same drill He asked did I know how much the ticket would be, I said alot and that I had no excuse. He ran my license and came back and told me he understood that when riding a sport bike it was hard to watch your speed. ** no ticket **
I do believe that telling the truth helped
I do think there will be bias because you are 18 but stand tall admit you made a bad decision and let them see that you are whats good about the young generation, remember these people are parents,grandparents and don't want to trash a kid with integrity.
Good Luck
Neal

[Germain]

Ok, I have a 1973 914 2.0L, stock. With a differant cam and carbs how fast do you think that car will go? How quick will it accel? I dont know about yours, but when I step on it, my 6 cyl 1999 Explorer is faster, and so is our 1.9L 1996 Escort. Dont get me wrong, I'm not complaining about you racing, Im wondering why you would need to prove your car. I think my 67 Mustang at idle could take my fully accel Porsche. Now cornering is a whole differant story.
Ok about the honesty thing... Come on. If you can get out of a ticket, lie. I was pulled over 32 times during the summer of 1993 in my Mustang, no tickets, not one. I've been pulled over several times in my Dodge Stealth, not one ticket. Hmm, am I always honest, nope, sometimes I am, but not always. You just need to play field and say what you feel they want to here. In terms of your court date, wear a suit. Talk in complete sentences, dont say um, and be very polite. If you show you are an intellegent clean cut person that respect the law and the people whom uphold the law, you should do fine. If you choose to show up with a lawyer, then the lawyer had better have a 100% full proof method for getting you off. Otherwise, they could see the lawyer as a threat, and act defensive immediatly. This is my advice, take it as you would like.
One more thing. Macman, last time I checked this was a Porsche 914 BBS, not Dr Ruths. You know nothing about Jim or his girlfriend, and neither do I. I can tell you that if I was in Jim's position, I'd be very upset with that remark. It was a stupid thing to say. I would hope you have the decency to apologize to Jim, and next time remember that Jim is not looking for advise on his love life.

[bonz]

Boy, this is really wierd. I am 18, have a partially restored 74 2.0, and was pulled over in September for "racing on the highway" here in good old Lancaster PA. Well my situation was a little different, my girlfriend was in the car that I passed, and a good friend of mine was with me. It was about 9:45 on a friday night after a high school football game (I am in the band). We were going to a friendlys for ice cream, and leaving her neighbourhood. I passed my friend with the top off in second gear at about 40 in a 25 residential zone. A cop was parked across the street in the dark and hit his lights. He pulled both of us over, took our stories, and asked me questions like "Why does your car smoke like the dickens?" I then got to talk to him about the beauty of orignial pushrod tube seals. He then handed us our tickets for 5 points, 6 month suspension, and $268. After that I got the speach about it being a convertable and I could roll it. My friend in the car with me wanted to ask the cop if he knew what a low center of gravity ment, but I kept him shut up. SO, then came the idea of telling my parents. The whole thing surprised them, since I have done every bit of work on the car my self, and i have talked about driving this car ever since I knew what it was (my dad is the orignal owner). We got a lawyer, and he barganed with the cop. It came down to careless driving (3 points, $25 fine + costs, and no suspension). So for a $300 dollar lawyer I kept my liscense.

[macman]

The comment "dump your girlfriend" wasn't a serious suggestion, it was merely a comment on the fact that your girlfriend (depending on what she told the cop) could of caused you to loose your license. Dude, you think i would dump my girlfriend for something like that? who would i ask for rides while my license was suspended? You all are takeing a little comment like i am trying to be some sort of f*&$ing "doctor". the response to my coment on sticking up for the 914 suprised me. Perhaps it isn't as imporntant to people over the age of 20 (and that is probably why their insureance is cheaper), but to me, sticking up for my car and what it can do is imporntant to me, people need to know what the little crackerbox can do. Don't get me wrong, i'm not stupid about it, you never F*&#ing race on a city street! having a little sister that plays on a street that is a blind courner that everyone likes to speed around has made me more aware of how stupid people can be. When i engage in "speed contests" it is at abour 12:00-4:00am on a deserted road in the woods, where the only thing i can hurt is myself, or the other driver-or a confused deer. The only reason i don't "just take it to the track" is because i can't. Working a job for $7 an hour doesn't allow me a whole lot of extra spending money to go to the track seeing as though it is like $100 for 5 hours of raceing. On top of that, i don't think my car would pass the inspection for safety you are required to pass before you can race, because of all the rust in the battery tray. I'm not asking for your pity, i am just saying that some people haveto come up with a more creative way to race because of different circumstances. Look, i didn't mean to offend anyone, everyone just took it in the wrong context, so what if i have a little pride in the 914.......perhaps that is what more 914 owners need, because i have sure seen a lot of trashed 914's on the road, like what the PO did to my car.

Besides, the feeling you get passing a $50,000 beefed up rice burner around a courner has got to be the best feeling in the whole world.....just my opinion.

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Michael Scheid
(206) 232-9854

[Conrad W Peden]

Hey macman,

Get in touch with the Pacific Northwest Region, Porsche Club of America. They race 8,9, 10 times a year at an old airport or something at Bremerton. That doesn't cost $100. There are alot more options than street racing this is just one. If they cant help you, Im sure they could point you in the right direction. Besides how does a battery tray cost? Unless that rust is suspension console rust you should be ok.

[macman]

Really? I didn't know they autocrossed in bremerton. I was thinking of joining the pcnw, but from their website, it didn't seem like they did a whole lot of stuff other than like go on trips to places and show off their cars to eachother (not that that is bad). I will look into that. The rust has effected my engine shelf, but not dramaticaly, so it may pass. what exactly do they look at, at the inspections? will they fail you if you just have a little bit of rust? or do you haveto have major structural problems?
sorry to change the topic.

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Michael Scheid
(206) 232-9854

[oredith]

they take the battery and shake it .. if it comes loose.. not good.. if it stays on pretty well.. you pass.. check wheel bearings for excessive free-play.. loose items in the engine bay that can fly around.. etc.. simple things.. if it's safe for the road, it'll pass tech.

[Dane]

Not that it matters but did you win? I'll give you some excellant free advice. Get a lawer. They're sure worth the money. Second where did this happen somewhere thats dark quiet and straight for a long ways? If so I would argue that you weren't racing you were merely having highway hipnosis. I've actually had this while driving through Arizona. I was tired,it was late, And next thing I know I'd snapped out of my daze to see I was moving along at 130mph. did the other driver get ticketed? If not it woulb be hard to show proof that you were racing!
Next time get yourself a good radar dectector.....they're sure worth the money.
Sincerely,
Dr. Dane

[divezic]

Hey, did anybody check out that 'Packers game last week.......

[Jim Osborn]

There was no radar and yes I did win. I hired a lawyer today for $1000! Seems to be the cheapest good one around here unless someone knows otherwise. It was a straight long road with barriers on either side with no street lights and no streets crossing it either. It was late out and next to an old waste disposal site so I thing anyone would want to be walking out there(maybe it's just me)! Also they did not get the other guy and they don't even remember what kind of car it was.

BTW the lawyer said that he could try to get my car back before 30 days and that he would try to angle for an infraction of speeding due to my clean previous record. I won't even have to go to court unless I want to go to trial.

[Scott Bell]

Jim, I, myself, am 29. I have had over 3 dowen cars ( all VW or Porsche). I've out ran cops 11 times. Caught twice. YOU NEED A LAWYER !!!!!!!!!!!

[oredith]

hey scott..
I don't think Jim needs encouragement on how to outrun cops at this point.. while on the subject though.. how did you manage that?..here in LA, our cops get plenty of practice chasing down cars.. probably 90% of the car chases you see on C.O.P.S. or america's dumbest criminal are from LA..

[pressman]

Hi,

here are my 2 cents.

-Cops in canada have refelctive tape on the cars.(i'm not sure if it's the same in the states) you can spot a cop in the bushes no problem.

-Racing charge here in canada is a hefty fine and 6 points.

well i'm hoping stuff works out for ya.
-Mike

[mejulihn]

It's ALIVE... it's ALIVE! THE BB THREAD THAT WOULD NOT DIE! Is this one going to die anytime soon folks?

[Germain]

Well, my input on the out running of cops. If you see a cop and you know your busted, theres nothing like a few quick turns BEFORE the cop hits his/her lights. I've gotten away from many a cop this way, and I would even call it running. I'd call it... sneeking away.

[Joe Bob]

You can't outrun the Motorola....(that's the radio, BTW)