944 engine swap

poas2169 · 02-27-2004, 06:38 PM

Hi, i have a 1986 Porsche 944 non-turbo and its pretty banged up but i planned on making it a project and i was wondering if i could swap out the non-turbo engine for a turbo engine. I dont know if the motor mounts are the same or if it is at all possible to swap so if anyone knows if it is possible could ya tell me and what all i would have to do to complete the swap. Thanks.

Rock · 02-27-2004, 06:45 PM

Ahem. I will take this one. Dont do it. Not because its a bad idea, but because there are a lot of old people that flame you for it. So now that it has been said, Let's get on with the flaming.

poas2169 · 02-27-2004, 06:48 PM

ok can it be done, i dont care about the flameing

SoCal Driver · SoCal Driver's Garage

Gesh! Give him a warning will ya!

Well it's not really flaming. It's a simple statement of the economics of the current low prices of actual turbos verses the costs of buying the parts seperately.

Britwrench · 02-27-2004, 08:34 PM

The other problem is that banged-up 944s are just about worthless, so you then end up with a worthless 944 you've spent a load of money on.
Buya better one.

poas2169 · 02-27-2004, 08:52 PM

I know it wont cost anything in the long run if i sell it but i dont want to sell it i just want a turbo 944 now and if i can swap it i just want to know how. i just wanted to make a project and do it but i wanted to know if it could be done and how to do it. i was aware it would be easier to just buy a turbo 944 but i just want to build one and since i have a non turbo, i thought i could make it turbo if i could, just for ****s and giggles. cuz i was gonna rebuild the non turbo engine and restore the car but my buddie said hell if you gonna do that you might as well make it turbo so im just seein if you can and how to, cuz I've had no luck on finding out how. thanks again though. and if you want to "flame" me go ahead, i just want sumthin to rebuild and make better.

TheCooler · 02-27-2004, 09:24 PM

Do you have a 951 engine redally available? Probably not.

As for turboing the NA ...go right ahead its your money. This is what you need ...everything that the 951 has that the NA doesnt.

Britwrench · 02-27-2004, 09:25 PM

No flaming here. You are just wasting your time.

A) you need money to do this
B) it's not something you do for sxxxxs and giggles
C) it's still cheaper to buy a 951

rucool · 02-27-2004, 11:48 PM

If you have the cash go all out and fit a 350 chev with a blower and post
the pictures, I know you will be given s### but every one would like to see some other sucker waste their dollars and see it done well..
BTW I saw a 928 with a 350 conversion and it looked ok..

Sabyre · Sabyre's Garage

Can I try and guess your age? 22

scottmandue · 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rock
Ahem. I will take this one. Dont do it. Not because its a bad idea, but because there are a lot of old people that flame you for it. So now that it has been said, Let's get on with the flaming.

If you had a five thousand dollar lot that you were planing to build a million dollar house on it and your realtor friend told you you are wasting your money would you consider that "flaming"?

gearhead290 · 02-28-2004, 09:39 PM

There is a button that is your friend.

I say do it though, show all that hair on your balls

Porsche-O-Phile · Porsche-O-Phile's Garage

OK we've all heard it before:

"it's. . . cheaper. . . to. . . buy. . . a. . . turbo. . . car. . . than. . . to. . . try. . . to. . . convert. . . a. . . non-turbo. . . to. . . a. . . turbo."

There. Done.

mmmbeer · 02-29-2004, 05:44 AM

Man, it seems like this board gets more negative by the hour.

Does anyone here have the curticy to answer the guy's question before the flaming start or is it that you guys don't know the answer?

The only engine I have first-hand experience with is the 968 engine, it will fit perfectly as long as you use the 968 torque tube. If you choose to use the 2.5L clutch/clutchhousing you can use the 2.5L torque tube. The airfilter box will not fit so you could use a cone airfilter. That is about it, its a easy job.

I am pretty sure it is as easy to install a 951 engine as well, but the intercooler and wastegate make it a slightly more complicated job. No problem though.

Regards:
Eirik Kvello-Aune
www.944968.com

SoCal Driver · SoCal Driver's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by mmmbeer
Man, it seems like this board gets more negative by the hour.

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Regards:
Eirik Kvello-Aune
www.944968.com

Facts have no bias. What is, is.

Second we don't have to buy some old wreck of a 944 and stuff it with new parts to get around a confiscatory socialist tax structure like you do.

Even then it's over twice as expensive to change an NA to a turbo not including the suspension when you have to source all of the parts.

When you are done you still have a wreck of an NA with almost twice the hp. With no serious suspension mods and the NA trans. Hard to keep it on the road but if you do you surely blow the trans.

mmmbeer · 02-29-2004, 07:45 AM

You're getting way to personal. Just answer the guy's freakin' question and be done with it. I did not ask for your opinion and I do not think the guy who started this thread did either... But that is his call.

The 83 944 is the EXACT same car as the 95 968 under all the mount-on parts that can be exchanged. The body is fully galvanized an will last "forever" if it is not damaged. So the only parts that are "junk" on a old 944 are those who are easy to swap out, but I will not go further into that as it was not what this topic was ment to cover.

The most cost effective for him would ofcourse be to get a 951, but he did not ask for opinions about that. He actually asked not to get flamed and you guys couldn't help yourself. Who is behaving like 22 year olds? (not that age has anything to do with wisdom).

Regards:
Eirik Kvello-Aune
www.944968.com

gearhead290 · 02-29-2004, 01:41 PM

But don't we all konw that the most cost effective thing is to NOT buy a Porsche??? Just something to think about...

poas2169 · 02-29-2004, 07:20 PM

Thanks for answering my question mmmbeer, since your the only one answering questions maybe you can riddle me this, you spoke of the 83 944 fitting the 968 but will an 86 like mine fit it? And how hard would the intercooler and the waste gate get? Because I noticed when I took off my front plate where the Porsche symbol is it looks like I have brackets for the intercooler. Oh and also the passenger side rear fender is damaged on my car, and I was wondering would I be able to take off the fender like I can the front or is it all connected to the roof and all away around the car because I cant tell if it is detachable or not. Thanks again.

Britwrench · 02-29-2004, 07:23 PM

Just read Scotmandue, SoCals, etc etc posts.....

At the end of the day you then have a 20 year old 968 engine-ed worn out 944. And it will still be cheaper to go out and buy a 944S2. Or a Turbo or probably by putting a little money in, a 968.

1983 944s do not have the "same" supsension, brakes and transmission as a 968. And if it gets damaged, it's then a 1983 944. Your insurance company might give you $2000 for it on a good day, therefore if you wad it up or someone hits it (and not that hard) it's totalled.

ae1969 · 02-29-2004, 07:28 PM

Welcome..........

With the 86 you have a number of parts that are shared. As you have found out the place for the intercooler.... In the early models that area is riveted in. Unfortunately you do not have the plastic ducting that goes in that section that directs air up into the intercooler and the front turbo bumper that houses the plastic ducting.............. but

If you are inclined to doing the swap you need to find yourself a donor 944 turbo. They can be had for approximately 2500-3000 (for a rough example). You will then have all the parts you need. Maybe not good parts .....but parts nonetheless...

The engine will swap over..... but you need the exhaust to go with it...... the dme, KLR.....intercooler........ and you could use the tranny as well..... uhmmm quite a few odds and ends ........

But with a 3000 dollar donor turbo you can make yourself a half decent 944 NA turbo conversion that would probably sell for 3000..... uhmmm maybe more if you find the right buyer.....

Have fun.