What sort of 924 is this?
 

Hi, I don't know much about the 924, been a 911 owner for 4 years now. Was thinking of buying a 924 Turbo as a second car. Came across one 1981 model bulging arches over the rear wheels, fuchs, and a huge bonnet scoop feeding an intercooler (did not think the 924 Turbo had an intercooler), also had a dog leg gearbox. I will try and get some pics up soon.

The car has been sitting for about 2 years and is a bit rough.

Car looks very, very aggressive. Is this just a tarted up 924 or is it something different?

Thanks

Prithvi

If its real, you are looking at an awesome car... Carrera GT. One of my dream cars. What country is this car located in?

http://www.924.org/models/CarreraGT.htm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...img08753an.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...e/IMG_6661.jpg

WOW! looks exactly like that but has the normal pop up headlamps. I will definitely get some photos taken. Car is located in Singapore. 210bhp!!! more than my SC!!

I believe you are looking at a 937, the 'regular' (if you can even call an awesome car like that regular) Carrera GT model. Im not surprised the car is in Singapore, a few of them seemed to be there. I know of atleast one other 937 located there as well as the ultimate 924 evolution, the GTR.

This car was for sale recently (maybe a year ago) state side and is probably very similar to what you are looking at..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...e/IMG_6653.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...e/IMG_6656.jpg

I cant remember where this one is located, but also state side in a museum collection somewhere..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...51s/924cgt.jpg

I envy you for having the chance to find a car like this!

Check out the 924Board.org forums. There are a very broad based group of guys out there, many of which own, or know more about the Carrera GT model cars than anyone on here.


This car is / was for sale in Japan
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...sche17767a.jpg
Here is the 937 GTR located in Singapore somewhere..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...1152610992.jpg

Good god, the 937 is a mean-looking car.

neat, another 937!

heres the singapore GTR thread on 924board
http://www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=19683&highlight=singapore+carrera

That is the one, even has the Carrera script on the side, which I thought was wrong. I will definitely get some pics up this evening. Be forewarned the car I am looking at is in a sorry state, been sitting for some time. Quite excited, this is a RHD car and from the link posted there were only 75 made! Cool !! Getting quite excited about getting my second Porsche!! Are the Carrera GTs worth much??

If it is in close to decent condition.... absolutely.

I just noticed in that first photo, it's sitting next to a new CGT.

I have wanted to build a replica for years now, based off a 924S.

What do the various versions of the 924 Carrera GT go for?

i saw a real one on ebay about a year ago that was in the u.s. 15,000 was the starting price if i remember correctly

A LOT.

I have seen this car before ..... it was being stored for a while in my mechanic's place ...... it has since gone and am not sure where it is ... I will send my feelers out .. :D and get some pics of that as well .... if I can find it, Singapore is a small place :p

how do we know this is a REAL 937? Couldn't it just be standard 924 with bodywork?

Prithvi, if you can get more pictures of that GTR aswell as more video of it running, that would be amazing!

CJ, not sure if your refering to the GTR, but if you are. There were alot of pictures of the car that show its legit.

It also sounds 100% authentic! Here are what i have saved on my computer..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...1152611065.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...1152611034.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...1152611011.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...1152610992.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...1152610962.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...1152610916.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...1152610863.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...1152610939.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...1152610773.jpg

Here are the additional pictures of the car that was for sale. This car was located in a Japanese car museum. I dont remember what the asking price was as the ad has since been taken down. The description did say the car was never raced however.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...sche17767b.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...sche17767c.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...sche17767d.jpg

And its possible this is the same car aswell, but im not sure.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...0GTS/GTR_2.jpg

As for what these things go for, i think the regular 924 CGTS went for under $40k when it was on eBay. There was a GTR for sale in Vegas for $250k

Just some interesting info about these awesome and very rare cars.

Hey Jon, I don't think they are the same car, I last saw the car about 2 years ago and it was far from running ..... the one in the clear picture (which was for sale) is in Japan, looking at the number plate of the car next to it. When I last saw the GTR, my wrench said the owner was getting the parts to restore it. I will try and find out more.

Prithvi, after looking at the pictures again i edited my posts :). I remember now the car for sale was in Japan and never raced as per the description.

The car you saw apparently is running now as videos of it were posted on the 924Board.org forum. It sounds awesome! :eek:

I will view the videos when I get home tonight, blocked from viewing them at work. I would love to see it running!

Cheers

What ?? No cup holder ??

The Carrera GT bumper is the perfect blend between euro 944 bumpers and the S2/951 bumper.

Also, does the vented nose panel match up with normal 944 fenders, or is the line across it higher up like the 951's? I cannot tell from the pictures.

Those 2.0L engines look decidedly easy to work on compared to out 2.5's. are the 931 or 937 engines interference? I know that the 924 is not...

The GT was an 8.5 CR, 210HP engine.
The GTS was an 8.0 CR, 275HP engine.
The GTR was a 7.1 CR, ........ 375HP engine.

Yikes. Even the 'plain' GT was still as powerful as the 86 951 would come to be... Mindedly less torque I am sure though.

The more power they make, the more complicated they get. Yes, the turbos are all interference motors.

Oh, BTW, according to my local GTR owner... 375 is only a baseline/starting point... :D

I want, I want.

The Carrera GT has 944 front quarter panels, so yes, that front bumper would work on a 944. The rears are 924 quarter panels, cut, and then with the wider wheel arches attached.

I'd love a Carerra GT replica on a 931.

The vented nose panel is the same as the one from the 924 Turbo and is a direct fit onto the 944 and other 924's. The only PITA is drilling the spot welds off of the 931. They are tough to find also, but keep an eye on eBay and they come around every few months.

The cost of the front body parts will cost you in the area of a running, good condition 944. The inner bumper support bar which is unique to the 937 is $900 through Sunset Porsche. The bumper cover is $3200 through Pelican, i would bet its about $2900 through Sunset. Unfortunetley most of the mounting parts have unique 937 part numbers which means big $$$. The advantage is these parts are polyurethane which is 100x more durable on the street than the fiberglass stuff. Though fitment isnt going to be a walk in the park, i bet they fit better than any of the fiberglass replicas available. But with the amount your about to pay for it, i would be scared to drive my car around.

Lovely cars, i would expect to pay upwards of $30k for a good condition GT here stateside. I would hate to know what the unique engine parts would cost you though!

I love the look of the CGT front. Fiberglass parts are readily available of these, even though their fit isn't the best,

Everyone always loves the look of euro bumpers, but for the price of finding one and importing it you could switch to this bumper.


I would almost be willing to dive right into a CGT replica this summer and sink money into a 931. Afterall, I work with composites, the fiberglass wouldn't scare me (although the urethane is alluring, those prices are outrageous.)

But for the money I would put into one I could have a reliable 968.

Everyone says the 968 is the ultimate evolution of the 924 but I think the CGT was a definite high point..

Besides the turbo, intercooler and piping, ISnt the motor just a 924 motor with lower compression pistons??? Looks almost the same. That kinda power out of a little 2.0 engine like that is SWEEEETtTTTT, they must be running serious BOOST

Nope :) the series 1 931 ('79-'80) was 7.5:1 with a big turbo and the series 2 was 8.0:1 with a slightly smaller turbo ( and digital ignition iirc).

from memory the boost was still modest. the euro 931's sat on 10lbs boost ( i think a US spec is 6lb??) and the 937 was about 12-13lbs boost. pretty crazy ah?! just shows what an i/c and a little bit more boost can do to a normal 931 ;)

there are guys on 924board running 14lb boost with an i/c no worries, and theyre US/ Can spec.

SO besides the boost side of things, whats different in a 931 engine then a 924 engine?? Like i said looks like its a 924 motor with lower compression

the 931 head is a better all-round. bigger valves, better head design = flows better. the sparkplugs are moved from the exhaust side (924) to the intake side (931). And of course the cast pistons are different irt compression drop and change to interference design. the bottom end is all the same and the camshaft is still the same as the 924.
iirc the standard crank is forged and the pistons have squirters.

it got an oil cooler as well.

there were rumours the 931 head was what the 924 was going to get but they were scared off by cost and by the performance threat to the base 911 of the time ( remember its 1975).
the time difference in esign and implementation isnt that silly when you think that there was a twincam 944 turbo engine being used in a 924 in 1981 and the prod 944 turbo came out in '86

the 931 head was hand assembled at Stuttgart.

Nice thats what I was looking for. sounds like you know whats going on ;-)

Hi All, finished work pretty late last night, went to see the car, but my phone camera can't take any good pictures at night. I am off work tomorrow and will definitely get some pics, inside and out.

Few things, did some reading last night and the CGT only came in 3 colors, red, black and silver, this is some kind of pearl off white. Kind of worrying. However the body parts are PU, not fiberglass. Interior is a mess ... mouldy, to the point of being furry. Think the interior has been redone. The door panels are pinstripe, but the seats are black cloth. It has an aftermarket Porsche Design 3 spoke steering wheel.

Promise to get photos of it up tomorrow chaps.

Have a feeling this Porsche (if it proves to be a real CGT), will be my next car.

Thanks

hmm.. well yeah, sounds like the front seats have been changed. the doors and cloth inserts on the front and rear seats should be a pinstripe and piping combo unique to the cgt.

cant help you with the colour. best way to tell is to get the vin number from the engine bay and decode it via the net.

my money is on "replica"

Thanks !! will check it tomorrow ...

CJ, hope it is not a replica :( .... will check tomorrow .... had my hopes up ........ :(

I do know of a white GTS that ive got some pictures of somewhere. So who knows.

SSSHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

All this accurate and complimentary information on the 924 on the Pelican site is going to drive up the prices!!! I won't be able to get $200 parts cars anymore!!! Please delete this thread and start a thread in the 911 section about how the whole 924 range is useless!!! Or at least go back to talking about the 944 and leave the 924 discussion to the 924Board where nobody sees it...

:) :)

LOL...

The NA can also be run using the 931 head, which gets better flow and can make more power - but requires custom pistons due to the aforementioned combustion chamber redesign. Factory did it back in '79-81 or so, made about 180-odd hp in race trim IIRC (too lazy to look it up on my own website, go figure). 2.0L NA, BTW.

But yeah, 924's suck, you don't want one of those things, bust your butt just to get 'em to run and you're still stuck with a slow, over-built rusty VW. ;)

So, in essence, you can trade over the head and pistons from the 931 and make yourself a pretty sweet power-house...

Oh yea, 924's are terrible. What a waste of space those cars are. Useless... http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/nahnah.gif

I think a cheaper and easier increase in power would probably be to just buy a 924S or 931 in the first place ;)

Of course.

No, you don't want to swap in just the head and pistons - generally speaking, you'd lose compression over stock. Makes much more sense to bump the CR up, maybe 9.5 or 10... or 11.3:1 like Porsche and Holbert did! ;)