Dal, i remember on my first 944 working on it... it wouldn't start without the airbox on it, but with it on, it ran like a champ. is that the case with all early 944's.. and if so, could his current setup be a problem?

thanks

scratch that. i just found it above my toes

Should be under the dash on the passenger side IIRC if not it is directly above your knees under the dash. Apprx a 9x9 silver box w/Motronic embossed on the cover.

Dal

the dme is under the steering wheel by the fuse panel...

is anything going to happen or reset or something if i remove this? should i wait untill i run my arrands?

Steve....No....You can run w/o the box entirely provided one does not mind dirty air getting into the engine.:) In your case perhaps it was a AFM issue sucking in too much air throwing the values?DME off, once the box was back on the airflow was reduced to a normal flow. But I run mine w/o during diagnostic runs.

Dal

FF.....Nope pull it, just have the power off and it would be a safe thing to disconect the neg battery cable but not a must.

Dal

k im gonna have to run to my parents place around the corner. i dont have that size socket. im taking my laptop and camera with me.

Phillips and/8 and/or10 mm should do it, but you can try 1/4 or 3/8ths SAE

Dal

http://www.pelicanparts.com/PartsLookup/HTML/944_USA_82_85_KATALOG/901-05-Frame4.htm

ok. um.... i have to thank averyone for helping me but the sleet is coming down a little to heavy right now for me to tackle this. it's ass chapping cold and the driveway is colder. I will try to pull this and get a pic of the innerds when it gets a bit warmer or at least dryer.

No hurry Matt, we are always "on duty"!

Dal

lol, so lets talk sun roof. i cant seem to open, close or remove. i know about turning the key to the 1st position... lalala.

This thing is stuck in a partial up position. i do hear the motor working and can hear the roof slightly moving but nothing more. the arms at the rear of the sunroof dont seem to want to "stretch out".

the sun roof is up about 1/2 inch and siliconed to avoid rain. is this a gear? where is that gear?
Steve suggested i pull the liner from the ceiling but it does not allow me acess.

Sunroof gear aka Pinion gear.....located on the motor drive which IIRC is in the side panel under the B pillar. Turn the roof on and listen for the motor on the right side IIRC.

The late and or 924S/968 and S models have 2 gears which is where Steve is thinking under the roof liner. You have the expensive one on the drive itself.
Dal

ok, back to th DME

I PULLED it and removed screws. all i can see is a curcuit board. i wasnt able to remove it due to my screw driver being to thick.

i did take a pic. i found a discoloration on most of the board. i dont think that it is normal.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...y/SANY0874.jpg

matt, i have a spare dme that you can borrow if need be.

that would be nice. it would be a great way to narrow it down a bit.

i'll get it out.....

pm'd you

cool. thanks. now the pic to me looks like i may have found the problem. i dont have another to compare with but it doesnt look good

Does the box tabs look like they have been bent open before?....no, then put the cover on and wait for Steve's spare unit to arrive. Screws do not look like they have been backed out either, at least from the pic, but if they look like they have been backed out we know it was opened but the reason is yet to be determined, chipped would be my guess. Get the correct screwdriver!:)

Dal