Another Small Block Conversion Argument

[harborman]

Looks like a lot of work and money for no gain and what are you left with?An abortion of a great German car. Not for me, keep mine all stock, all Porsche like it was ment to be and enjoy driving.

Rob Budd's car:



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He sells hood liners. Classic 9 Leather Shop Porsche Interior Restoration Automobile Reupholstery Craftsman Great guy!



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[Herr-Kuhn]

Wasn't the DeTomaso Pantera produced until about 1994? There was a 1973 or so here for sale for last year for $29,000. It was all there, but certainly not perfect. I always liked that car and think it would be really nice to twin turbo one with a modern Ford 4-Cam V8.

I like Ford...my Ford stock is up 50% since I bought it earlier this year. Right now I would not touch GM stock with a pole. IPO at like $33 and Ford is trading in the high teens. Apparently the UAW owns like 20% of GM and the govenrment still holds a big portion as well. It won't be a big rebounder stock in 2011. Buy up now guys...2011 will hold BIG potential if you get into the right stuff. Some are saying 20% as an aggregate over the entire year.

[harborman]

As far as I know 74 was the last year Ford sold them. I think someone else bought the rights of remaining stock of parts, it basically ended with Ford in 74. Ford sent the 351's to Modena and the car was assembled at various places in Italy and pretty much hand made. The bodies were on hand pushed carts from one position to another. I have pictures of the assembly line. The workers in Italy even wore "Ford" jackets. Too bad we didn't buy Ford in 2008 @ $1.

They should have never bailed out GM. Ford would have bought out the good parts. Actually it was quite unfair to all others and us tax payers

Wasn't the DeTomaso Pantera produced until about 1994? There was a 1973 or so here for sale for last year for $29,000. It was all there, but certainly not perfect. I always liked that car and think it would be really nice to twin turbo one with a modern Ford 4-Cam V8.



I like Ford...my Ford stock is up 50% since I bought it earlier this year. Right now I would not touch GM stock with a pole. IPO at like $33 and Ford is trading in the high teens. Apparently the UAW owns like 20% of GM and the govenrment still holds a big portion as well. It won't be a big rebounder stock in 2011. Buy up now guys...2011 will hold BIG potential if you get into the right stuff. Some are saying 20% as an aggregate over the entire year.

[sonett3]

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

Yes, and then you demanded that I help you redistribute all the scattered gravel in the driveway from the skid marks you left as a result of that little stunt-1977

Other episodes included:

You smashing the front of Dad's Sonett III into the garage door whilst moving the Datsun B210-1980

You seen by the neighbors driving like a maniac at the tri-angular intersection of Boston Post Road and Thorten's Ferry II road in the 1980 Olds Cutlass Supreme. Back then is WAS your father's oldsmobile-1982

and the best one ever...

You taking said Oldsmobile out whilst chasing skirt...only to find out that after you raced up the back road behind the house that dad was waiting for you in the driveway. I can still remember it vividly "You're going to have a lot of explaining to do in the morning"-1982

Nobody ever found out, but I nearly burned down the house in 1985 as a result of playing with gasoline beside the garage. The difference was that *itch lady nextdoor, Mrs. Condon loved me and she hated you. Well, except for the time we scared the daylights out of their baby-sitter and they had to come home early...TOTALLY stumbling drunk wasted. She then accused me of setting that fire up in the woods...her kids had actually done it. I think I had it out with her around 1986 after she caught us burning things in the middle of the road and she chased us with her Volvo wagon.

Such a colourful childhood...

Ms condon Never like me anyways . I hated that bit-- . I think i was driving sonett 3 on the back road. What dum things we do when we are kids.

[Danglerb]

Originally Posted by fb111

Aspkiller on Rennlist has a 91GT that is running an LS7. He is out on the west coast. The car is built for racing and he is selling a wide body kit and front spoiler for the later cars. It is a very nicely done car. The engine has been tweeked and I think it has also been dry sumped.

It was at SF10 along with an out and out race conversion, both I suspect are crazy fast, but not much like a Porsche anymore.

[DanielDudley]

I have no problems with sanitary conversions of any kind. I admire nice work. I like fast cars.

Many have said that the 928 was not much like a Porsche anymore either. It is just a question of where you draw the line. Please be aware that I am not taking sides against anybody here. I am simply for mechanical ingenuity and excellence. Apples are better than Oranges ? Compare them on their merits, and both are good.

[Landseer]

I saw that Rob Budd car in June 2010 at SITM.
Still looked great.
Conversion must have been performed cleanly.

[harborman]

When I talked to him about my hood liner he said he sold his 928. Not sure if this was the car.

I saw that Rob Budd car in June 2010 at SITM.

Still looked great.

Conversion must have been performed cleanly.

[Fabio421]

Originally Posted by harborman

When I talked to him about my hood liner he said he sold his 928. Not sure if this was the car.

Rob Bud sold that car to Ed Meir in GA abouttwo years ago.

[Landseer]

Well, the guy said it used to belong to Rob Budd.

[Landseer]

Sorry, no engine compartment views.
It did have a georgia plate on it.

[Herr-Kuhn]

I swear I have an old R&T with reference to the Pantera still being produced into the 1990s. I'll have to go see if I can find it.

[harborman]

Well that could be right, but no longer connected with Ford and not on the same scale. Was it some outfit in Wisconsin possibly?I don't think any more bodies were produced once Ford quit selling them. I recall someone buying all the remaining stock of parts.

I swear I have an old R&T with reference to the Pantera still being produced into the 1990s. I'll have to go see if I can find it.

[tmpusfugit]

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

I swear I have an old R&T with reference to the Pantera still being produced into the 1990s. I'll have to go see if I can find it.

Ford ended their importation to the U.S. in 1975, having sold roughly 5,500 cars in the United States. De Tomaso continued to build the car, however, in ever-escalating forms of performance and luxury for more than a decade. A small number of Panteras were imported to the US by gray market importers in the 1980s, notably Panteramerica and AmeriSport. In all, about 7,200 Panteras were built.

[harborman]

All the more reason I should have kept my 74 L. The Pantera however was not nearly as sophisticated as my 928. It was simple to maintain except for Italian wiring, gauges, switches and undersized wheel bearings.

[tmpusfugit]

Originally Posted by harborman

All the more reason I should have kept my 74 L. The Pantera however was not nearly as sophisticated as my 928. It was simple to maintain except for Italian wiring, gauges, switches and undersized wheel bearings.

Ouch, you are talking to a guy with a bad rear wheel bearing right now, 928 wheel bearing that is. Awaiting the $400 tool and the $100 bearing today....

I always wanted a Pantera, back in the day didn't have the $$$ plus we had 3 kids, so, that dream evaporated. And today, they are still outside my play budget. Of course my first car bought as a sophmore in HS, a flathead Ford '53 hardtop, is outside my play budget today.....but a 928 is not. Go figure that one out....

[harborman]

Well the 928 was VERY expensive new, so you have to expect it to cost to keep up. Equivilent cost today, maybe $170,000.

Quote de harborman

All the more reason I should have kept my 74 L. The Pantera however was not nearly as sophisticated as my 928. It was simple to maintain except for Italian wiring, gauges, switches and undersized wheel bearings.

Ouch, you are talking to a guy with a bad rear wheel bearing right now, 928 wheel bearing that is. Awaiting the $400 tool and the $100 bearing today....



I always wanted a Pantera, back in the day didn't have the $$$ plus we had 3 kids, so, that dream evaporated. And today, they are still outside my play budget. Of course my first car bought as a sophmore in HS, a flathead Ford '53 hardtop, is outside my play budget today.....but a 928 is not. Go figure that one out....

[tmpusfugit]

Harborman, my point was I paid $300 for the Ford back in the day.....1962 to be precise. The one pictured was avalaible for sale last year, identical to mine, and it was $38,000.

I can afford a decent 928 but can't really afford/justify a 1953 Ford....sumthin' ain't quite right in the force here....and the only thing the old Ford had in common with my 928 is they both have 4 wheels....

[Landseer]

There are a million old-school guys of all ages hunting for vintage tin right now.

20-s through 50-s stuff is on fire, despite the economy.

[lfausty]

LOL !!!!!!!! potatoes potadoes (jetronics fauxtronics). Santas global ride (norad.com) will give both finj sbc a ride for their buck. aero space which id more closely resemble to........ A pcar.

sbc can be built up til the cows come home and youll need the junkyard as you tear up parts on a insaned carbed rig. uhh i just blew a rad clamp.

finj car only so much can be built up . uhh my buzzz bombed 100 fuel injector insane rig just blew 68 finj , what junkyard.

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