What a 928 turbo guy buys for a winter car ;)

[Herr-Kuhn]

1995 Audi urS6 All it needs is about 10 lbs more boost and a larger turbo since the suspension is already built up pretty nicely!

[riber.bentsen]

Didn't the 95 (and 94, for that matter) S6 come with a 4.2 V8?? O.o

[Herr-Kuhn]

The S6 was offered in Europe as an S6+ and had the 4.2 liter...those never were imported to the US. The urS6 production ran here until 1995.5 model year and into Canada until 1997. It's even difficult to get a 97 into the stated because of OBDII.

One thing I really like about these cars is the fact that they have just enough technology to be ultra reliable and fast, but not over stated with fly by wire throttle and OBDII...you have one $30.00 O2 sensor, not 4 $100+ sensors like on a modern 4.2 Audi V8.

With proper modificatins, the inline 5 can be setup to make a very reliable 400-450 HP on pump gasoline. That's good enough for me for a daily driver car with 4 doors. Plus they are a very comfortable car and are great in the snow. You have to love the elegance in the simplicity of the 20V inline 5...it's an easy car to service, maintain and modify. MUCH easier than on a 2.7T S4 (trust me I know, my wife has an Avant...it's terrible by comparison, but still a good car).

I had considered an A8 but those have an appetite for tiptronics and then there is the OBDII to have to deal with...notorious for engine lights on all the time.

[riber.bentsen]

Aaah, thanks for explaining it to the euro-boy..

Is 450 HP really what you need in a winter car? "Good enough", ha!

[Herr-Kuhn]

450 Hp on a turbo car is no issue...because the turbo allows you to retain very docile street manners...when you want the power, you just nail down on the throttle hard and it's there. This is the beauty of turbocharging.

Remember, there is no such thing as enough power, but rather just issues with getting it to the ground.

Do you know of Crisplant there in Denmark? I used to work for the parent company, FKI Logistex. The tilt tray sorters were made there in Denmark.

[riber.bentsen]

Of course there is no such thing as too much power, why was I being silly?

No I didn't know of them, but many great inventions have come out of our tiny country..

[Landseer]

Nice Audi. Rapid transit.

My neighbor is an Audi master guild mechanic and has started his own shop.
We took a 951 customer car out for a test drive. Then jumped into something he called an S4, little sedan.
Damn fast car, lots quicker than the porsche. Amazing.

He has a V8 wagon that I want bad.

[fb111]

Little S4 Audi's are wonderful cars. I didn't know they put V8's in their smallest cars. Heard this wonderful sounding V8 come down the street and I couldn't figure out what car it was. Heard it again a week or two later and determined it was the Audi. They have nearly 350 hp.
They made an RS 4 that had quite a bit more. The ultimate sleeper if bought in a dreary color.

[Herr-Kuhn]

Crisplant is right in Aarhus! I have a few friends there, one's name is Heidi Klit, she still works there at Crisplant...well I guess it is now Beumer since FKI sold them off. It used to be Crisplant and before that Cosan.

The 2.7T is a very good engine engine, but Audi price shopped all the accessories. Our AC went out at 115K...siezed up out of the blue. Additionally, you can't change the turbos without pulling the engine and the turbo water pump is hidden under the manifold where it stays hot (brilliant idea). I'll take the inline 5 any day of the week, it's 10 fold easier to maintain and work on as compared to the 2.7 T. A big turbo, chip, springs&shocks plus some brake upgrades and you outperform a B5 S4 just about everywhere and to boot you have a rear seat that can handle adults...unlike the B5 S4!

You can keep the Hitachi injection, small turbos, OBDII and fly by wire throttle. Unlike Toyota, at least Audi was smart enough to engineer in a brake over-ride to the fly by wire throttle system...leave it to the Germans to cut the path...all Toyota had to do was copy it and for a japanese company that should have been easy

[krasuskyp]

Stumbled over here from 930 and happened to catch your post.

Congrats on the winter car purchase! They're fantastic machines w/ a huge grin factor once set up right.

While I'm 4yrs into Alumibiatch now (see sig - a quite sublime car), I had 4.5yrs in my 6spd'd urS6. Email me s8editor at s-cars.org if you'd like - I've been active in the //S community for 10yrs+ and can point you to some invaluable resources, etc. if you haven't yet stumbled upon them.

Also, I started die Vorlage //SFest 10yrs ago, we draw folks from 20+ states and Canada each year. Have a core group of fellow Ohioans that venture out, something to think about 8-).



You'll ^note^ there are a glut of Porsche's, ///M, AMG, etc. included - we're a bunch of fanatics, first / foremost!

Love Tornado urS's, great yours is already lowered (OE Rancho suspension is horrendous). 993tt brakes bolt right up ya know... then you're just a turbo, injectors, and software away from the ultimate package.

Torsen center / locking rear diff FTW! Shod mit snows, they're unstoppable in the deepest nastiest stuff. Lake Champlain:




btw - you're fuel filter is orginal! 8-0

Congrats again, email me if you want to talk shop. Otherwise, enjoy it in good (WOT) health!

[sonett3]

He has a 93 Audi S4 that has a up graded turbo and software. That car i believe has over 300,000 miles on it.

[Herr-Kuhn]

My pearl car was hopped up...until I sold that boat anchor RS2 turbo The car has over 315,000 on the stock internals and was pounded for 140,000 with the RS2 setup. The RS2 isn't up to the build plans I have for the car...no way.

Right now, I needed something to get me to and from the day job that was fun and reliable. The pearl car has been parked for nearly a year...BUT:

I have plans for the following with it:

GT3076R turbo (aka "30R")
Mahle pistons to go 8.5:1 on the CR
82.5mm bore
92.8mm crank to make it go 2.5 liters (may stay 2.2 liters...not sure yet, I don't like the rod ratio at 92.8mm stroke)
7A cams
New exhaust
Custom intercooler

Just got too busy with the shop this year to mess with it. I hope to have the head off the engine in the next 4-6 weeks to get it sorted out properly and install the new camshafts.

Awesome photos of the car on the lake. I think the urS cars are one of the best sedans Audi ever made. I currently have 3:

The red/black 1995 urS6
The pearl white/black 1993 urS4
The green/ecru 1994 urS4...aka "the green machine"...at best a parts car to help me with the few tidbits I need for the pearl car.

I just got finished ripping out the Alpine radio the PO had installed in the S6. Luckily they left the factory connectors and I just had to solder and heat shrik 6 wires...back in business. I'm trading the Alpine unit for some help on getting more wiring in my shop done this weekend. Gotta love the barter system!

[krasuskyp]

Ah then - you're already quite well versed on them, cool.

Your concern on the rod ratio on the 2.5 is legit. It's not for the squeamish and requires much hullaballoo - but noting your sig, you're up to task. Check the link in my sig, my bud's car in CO is 2.5L (currently 750awhp) heh heh.

Good stuff.

The urS6 is def one of the best sedans Audi's made. The urS8 is arguably soooooooo much better in soooooo many ways (Tip / NA aside - tho I've got a bud in Chicago who converted to 6spd and slapped on twins - schwing!). The chassis is sooooooooo good, and the car actually has a real suspension! 8-). I do love me a good i5t tho! 28-33psi? No problem mon!

Enjoy it...

[Herr-Kuhn]

The AT/Tiptronic was a big reason I didn't go with an A8 or S8. The tranny is a known issue and has been for years. Plus the car really doesn't have that much more interior room than the older 100 body. An RS6 is tempting, but good luck de-coupling the boat anchor of a transmission they attached to that car. OBDII...It's a pain in the arse to say the least. Plus the added benefit...if I need to sell this car it will sell in short order, especially after I put a near show quality paint job on it. One can't say that for a garden variety A8 since they seem very common these days. I'm amazed at how low the prices on the A8 have come down. Even S8s are getting down there now.

That green S4 is a little crazy to say the least. I'm sure that car has the same crank as I have currently wrapped up in a blanket in my store room. I'm also putting Carrillos into my car...the I beam units. If he's going 8000 RPM on that stroker crank with a 144 rod then that's impressive, though it is the same rod ratio as a 16V VW water cooler engine so maybe I'm reading into it too much. Some tell me they turn the 1.55 rod ratio all the way past 8,000 RPM. 30 plus lbs of boost is race gas territory for sure...E85 is great if you can find it...there are 2 pumps here in town, but it's just not practical for me. My goals are 450 HP on pump gas with a low 20 something boost number. Should be easy to get there.

[Maleficio]

Awesome car. I love Audi's. Here's what I drive in the winter. This thing is unstoppable.

[Herr-Kuhn]

Hard to argue with an all wheel drive Swedish Meatball. I'd love to have an S6 Avant, but they are BIG dollars over and above the sedans. So for now, I settle for this clean sedan!

Did you know that the engine in the Volvo type R cars (the inline 5) was designed by Porsche? Those R engines are very strong and make vast amounts of power when dialed up. It's similar to the inline 5 in the urS cars.

[Maleficio]

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

Did you know that the engine in the Volvo type R cars (the inline 5) was designed by Porsche? Those R engines are very strong and make vast amounts of power when dialed up. It's similar to the inline 5 in the urS cars.

I've heard that before. It's a great engine. My sister's S60R is a monster!

[krasuskyp]

Herr - Avants do command 'some' premium over sedans but not always that much. Email me should you ever be looking for one, I'm frequently seeing them mentioned FS in the enthusiast circles - many quite surprisingly reasonable.

Maleficio - gorgeous rig, almost too clean for a winter car 8-).

If you think that's unstoppable in snow, you really should try a quattro - the TorSen diff is worlds more capable than the Haldex, and makes for notably better handling dynamics. Haldex relies on slip to lock the diff, going from front, to all or rear drive like a switch and with delay. TorSen is live, constant, amazing. Check one out sometime 8-).

[krasuskyp]

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

I'd love to have an S6 Avant, but they are BIG dollars over and above the sedans.

In fact, this gem just popped up today - tough to find an unmolested, clean, sorted one like this - and green w/ the black gut is more more rare and desirable than the more common ecru.

1995.5 Audi S6 Avant 5 Speed

A comparable sedan migtht be a few bucks less, but this is quite reasonable.

They imported ~ 130 Avants in 95.5, the last year, and ~ 400 total over the 2yrs. Neat stuff.

[Herr-Kuhn]

Good deals these urS cars. I remember seeing one in 1996 (it was a 93) and they were still fetching $30K used. Probably the easiest Audi turbo car to build big power with for a daily driver. The 1.8T is a good engine, but it is no match for the 2.2 5 cylinder.

I always said I liked it so much I'd buy another...now I have three of these things. No. 2 (the green machine) will be broken down. They can't all be saved.