The 911 is a go cart in comparison

[Fixer]

Hopefully this will not anger 911 guys out there but having owned a very nice 1986 911 Carrera arguably the best 911 experience, and now a bone stock 1983 928, the 928 excites me more than the 911 did and does.

I 'get it' about 911s, the light communicative steering, the fear when going to hot into a turn etc..

Sitting in a 928 it's roomy and relaxing. But the car is a brute, a real man's car.
(please no offense Ladies)

When you look underneath the two different models, the 911 is like a go cart in comparison, very dated...

Whereas the 928 being 3 years older is light years ahead in body construction and suspension (explains the heft). The weight was complained about but it handles 10X better than the Carrera, so who cares about the weight, at least it's in the correct places.
Oh yeah, the A.C. works in a 928 very well. Mine gets too cold inside.
I took my A.c. out of my 911, figured why have the extra weight when it's only a dehumidifier.

Even my Son at 7 years old would comment about the lousy ride of the 911.
And then there's the 911 stress when driving, it takes years to conquer that.

Can you believe what collectors are paying for early 911s? I don't get it.

I can without hesitation say i am a dyed in the wool 928 guy now.

[Pete R]

I have never been a 911 fan. We brought our $500 Lemon car (a Ford Escort) on street tires to a PCA auto x. We beat every 911 there except the gt3's. Not too impressed.

for the doubters
http://www.porschenet.com/JCMS/content/view/419/1/

[Fixer]

That's what i'm talking about!

[laneyamps]

While not my favorite car, I admit, I do like some of the 911's out there...

BUT, a 911 is a car that needs constant attention while driving. They're pretty fun to drive, but, you have to understand the dynamics of the car, and you have to be very "alert" when you drive one...I've driven quite a few of them, and if you're not paying attention (while doing some spirited driving), a 911 can go from "Zero to HOLY CRAP" in an instant! You can "lose it" fairly quickly, if you're not careful.

When driving my 928, I have absolutely no fear when taking corners at high speed...The 928 feels like it's riding on rails, in comparison. The 928 feels like it was specifically designed for this.

True, the 928 is not known to be a speed demon, but, between the suspension, the handling, the almost perfect 50/50 weight distribution, fairly comfortable ride, build-quality, and overall "V8 Fun Factor", I'll take my 928 any day.

But, completely agree on the "go kart" reference! LOL

[harborman]

Funny, I went to a few PCA meetings in my area. I have the only 928 in the club it seems. One guy asked what I owned and I said a 928S, and he said is the S for SLOW! I was going to respond with "No it means Superior", but I didn't stoop to his level. The 928 is way better than a 911! I do like the Boxsters, the Panamara and some of the newer Porsches.

[Fixer]

Porsche Engineers thought the 928 was superior enough to take its place.

I could never catch my 1983 928S on a twisty track with my 1986 Carrera, I'd probably wodd the 911 up in the process,

slow? hardly.

That's OK, 911 owners can continue turn to up their noses and overpay for their Juiced Up Beetles while we enjoy.

Has anyone out there read about the time Porsche (the prove the 928 was a serious car) gave a bone stock euro 928S to one of the prominent race teams in the 80s to run at Daytona.
I think it was Brumos. Anyway, Brumos started to make enhancements but Porsche said no, run it basically stock to prove it's merits( no wings, no additional spoilers, etc.). Porsche allowed them to lower and run stiffer dampers. Anywho, TMALSShort, this Brumos entered 928 ran in the top 10-15 the whole race but in the end had a mechanical failure which escapes me and DNF

[Fixer]

Found the Info:

For the 1984 24 hours of Daytona, Porsche sent one of its experimental "All-aluminum" 928S to the Brumos Racing Team to be prepared with specific instruction not to modify the car in any way. Porsche wanted to promote the performance of the 928 to North America. The drivers Richard Attwood (GB), Vic Elford (GB), Howard Meister (USA) and Bob Hagestad (USA) were told to just "drive the car". During practice for the 24 hour race the drivers found the car to be somewhat unstable on the high banks of Daytona and wanted to add a rear wing to the car, Porsche said No. The Brumos team tinkered with the suspension set up to make the car more stable. The car finished in 15th overall and 4th in the GTO class. One driver stated in an interview later on, that was it not for a lengthy pit stop to fix some body damage, they would have finished in the top 5 overall. The car was then returned to Porsche and is now in the Porsche Museum.
A 928S from Raymond Boutinaud also competed at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1983 & 1984 with a 22nd place finish in 1984. The same car also competed in 1000k races at Spa, Brands Hatch and Silverstone in 1984, but with little success. It has been rumored that the Raymond Boutinaud 928S was also an "all-aluminum" car from Porsche but that has been unfounded.
[edit]Bonneville
On August 7, 1986 American racing driver Al Holbert set a speed record at Bonneville in a pre-production 928 S4. This 928 would turn 171.110 mph in the flying mile and 171.926 mph for the flying kilometer. In March 1986, the same car reportedly did 180+ mph at Nardo, but the Bonneville run netted United States Auto Club official record "at the time" for International Category A, Group 2, Class 9, for normally aspirated vehicles. That made 1987’s 928 S4 the fastest non-turbocharged production car in the world.
On September 15, 2011 at the Bonneville Salt Flats, racing driver and owner of 928 Motorsports, LLC. Carl Fausett set the current world record as the fastest Porsche 928 in recorded history.[7][8] The record setting run was clocked by the Utah Salt Flats Racing Association at ‘’’216.63537 mph’’’.[9] The car was a 900 BHP supercharged 6.54 liter 32 valve 928 specially built for the land speed record attempt [10]., dubbed by 928 Motorsports as the "Rekordwagen", which raced in the class Blown Gas Modified Sports B/BGMS.[9]
[edit]Relationship with the 911

Some, mainly marque enthusiasts and other company outsiders, feel that the 911 was a better sports car than the 928, and cite that the 928 was marketed to a broader and somewhat different overall customer base to back their claims. These hark back to arguments made in 1964 when Porsche introduced the 911 as the successor to the 356, which was lighter, simpler and not nearly as "burdened" with luxury features as the incoming 911, but ultimately was proven to be the less competent car.
While it's true that Porsche marketed the 928 as a high performance GT car rather than a traditional sports car and that it was larger, heavier and much more luxurious than the contemporary 911, most sources, including factory insiders and the car's "father" Ernst Fuhrmann say that Porsche executives intended for the 928 to replace the 911 both as Porsche's flagship model and as the company's sportiest offering.
Aside from text sources and insider statements, the raw performance numbers further back these claims; the 928 was capable of easily out-accelerating every version of the 911 sold during its lifetime except the 964 generation 911 Turbo, a car difficult to extract the most from in track situations. In addition, the 928's predictable handling, aided by its superior 50/50 weight distribution, made it a competent on-track match for the 911 in nearly any real-world situation

[Maleficio]

People love go-carts. I know I do.

But the 928 is pure joy. The feeling I get is confidence. The car can do anything.

[lfausty]

technical go kart. still something there in that squared go kart susp thats crazy. oh yeah its a porsche, they do know what there doing, eh? those 911 are crazy fun to drive (fall in love with) if your the technical rider type

off topic but seems no matter the writeup the 928 never finds a fit good enough for a prince right, yet put it on the race track. its a bird its a plane....

heres prince of monaco car auction (google) . son albert auctions pops (rainier 111) 928
off. who bought it, this one looks like the buyer (racer) think no reserve bidding ... how much did it sell for. the race bathurst 2011, same car? *just saying, for the 928 lovers how cruel/selling , kicking some serious prince ass,lol.

**below M huh? my bad wasnt done typing, --- couldnt find pics now posted (below)

[Maleficio]

Huh?

[laneyamps]

Originally Posted by harborman

Funny, I went to a few PCA meetings in my area. I have the only 928 in the club it seems. One guy asked what I owned and I said a 928S, and he said is the S for SLOW! I was going to respond with "No it means Superior", but I didn't stoop to his level. The 928 is way better than a 911! I do like the Boxsters, the Panamara and some of the newer Porsches.

LOL...Yeah, I hear ya'

We all know that when people think of Porsche, they don't think of the 928. They instantly have an image of a 911 in their head. And "I get that"...I totally understand...it's about the only body style they really have, when you think about it

Almost every car show I go to, I usually run into a couple of 911 owners, and sadly, many of them make some sort of snippy or snotty comment about my car, as they walk by....Like "928, huh?"..."Not a real Porsche"....I don't get it...What is it with these people??? Is it that hard to show a little respect?

[lfausty]

ok found em. maybe landsharkoz, is any help.
the prince auctions and the racer (paul D?) any similarity.

[laneyamps]

Thanks for posting that article, Fixer...Interesting read!

[Maleficio]

The 911 is a stigma that will NEVER go away.

[Maleficio]

I got to drive a 911 once. It is a VW Beetle with loads more power. End.

[Maleficio]

911 enthusiasts have probably never driven a VW Beetle.

[Spin-Master]

It all boils down to "different strokes for different folks". I have both a 911 and a 928. They are very different cars but I like both of them because of those differences. I have also owned a number of other performance cars, a 1970 Plymouth GTX, a Chevelle SS, 3 different Z-28's, 2 Trans-Am's, 3 Corvette's, 2 Mustang's and the 911 is unlike any of these cars or any other car. Where as the 928 is quite similar to these cars (in a straight line at least) because of it's design: V8 front engine, rear drive. And I believe the reason the 928 was created was because the USA is by far the largest auto market in the world and Porsche wanted to really tap into that market by making a car that was somewhat familiar to the people in that market. A market that wants brute power and recliner-chair comfort and easy to drive. (just my 2 cents) It's a shame that they discontinued the 928 because they were really on to something. Even Ferrari did a front engine car, the 456, which is very much like a 928 but wasn't very well recieved by purists either and was shorter lived that the 928.

[924CarreraGTP]

The 928 is superior in technology to the 911. Porsche used the Weissach Axle from the 928 to develop the rear suspension for the 964.

The 928 did win at the Wilhire 24 hour race at Snetterton England in 1983.

The 911 is a good car but very much like a VW beetle. I can hustle my 911 pretty well, but the 928 is still my favorite between the two. I even have a really nice tourquey early 911 T and I would still rather hustle the 928 in a race any day. The 911 is too heavy in the rear, but that can be a good thing if you know how to steer the car with it's power. The people who really raced Porsches knew this and it gave them an advantage. However, the 928 is 100% fool proof. You can run corners faster with the confidence that the car is going to stay on the road. Even if it gets loose at 70mph you can often power it out of the corner just like the 911 only faster. If you add less weight, more power, better suspension, and downforce the 928 can become a monster capable of eating most 911's including RSR's for breakfast.

Also the rear transmission layout stolen from the 928 is what finally made the Chevrolet Corvette a competitive race car. Before that it was a turd that would spin in a 30mph corner. Now you see Corvettes beating Porsche 911's in racing. This kinda proves that technology was sound, but only because it came from Porsche itself.

[dcrasta]

We like v8s in America.
Nuf said.

[john_harry100]

What is the price of 911 ??