Feeler - What's my E car worth?

[TechnoViking]

See ad in Cars For Sale section

[Astroman]

I wouldn't take less than $30K for a clean, fresh Euro SC with 3 sets of wheels.

The bolt-in cage is a relative negative, as are the non-adjustable shocks. I would sell the spare trans separately. Does it really not have a tail?

[TechnoViking]

It's got a fiberglass IROC tail on the car now. I can post pics if/when I put it up for sale. Thanks for the feedback.

I see a similar car online for $30K, so maybe that's a good ballpark number to budget with. Any other opinions welcome.....

[Mehoff]

Value in race cars is directly dependent on competitive history; if the car is a consistent podium car and can show lap times at or near track records you'll have value in the car.

Believe it or not I think that car is worth more converted back to a street car, at which point $30k is probably doable (as a race car I doubt it). Not sure how the euro 3.0's match up in E now, but I will say 205bhp is catastrophically low compared to a chipped 3.2 (230-235bhp).

[Astroman]

Originally Posted by Mehoff

Value in race cars is directly dependent on competitive history; if the car is a consistent podium car and can show lap times at or near track records you'll have value in the car.

Believe it or not I think that car is worth more converted back to a street car, at which point $30k is probably doable (as a race car I doubt it). Not sure how the euro 3.0's match up in E now, but I will say 205bhp is catastrophically low compared to a chipped 3.2 (230-235bhp).

Nah. Don't listen to the other Jack!

First, the driver has much more to do with lap times and podiums than the car itself. So I wouldn't worry too much about history.

Second, although air cooled 911 prices are sky high right now, it would take a lot of money to convert this car back into a good street car. And unless it has really nice original paint, it isn't going to get a good price.

Third, Euro SCs still match up quite nicely (still with the majority of E class lap records) with chipped 3.2s. And comparing Euro SC hp with 3.2 hp, by itself, fails to look at the whole package. Euro SCs are lighter and have a higher rev limit.

Fourth, all dynos are different. Buckley published a 215hp dyno with his Euro SC with his stainless headers. Who knows, maybe this 205 would be in the ballpark on a different dyno on a different day.

A Euro SC with an E class logbook with a newish motor and new trans with THREE sets of nice wheels should bring in a good price.

[saxen]

No no no no no! NO!!!!! Whats up Martin- it won't be as much fun out there without you running e! I totally get it though. I would start in the mid 30's and see how that goes.
Good luck if you decide to sell.
Levi

[RichardNew]

Race cars with no history are worth about $0.50 on the dollar. Add up what you have in the car and hope you can get half your money back.

Mehoff is right about a street car having more value. Part of the reason is that the market for a street car is much larger. Your car appeals to a very very small group of people.

A lot of the long hood track cars have been taken back to street configuration. You may not be able to do that.

Richard Newton
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[Matt Monson]

If the dyno is sae corrected the number should represent what the car makes at sea level. But as Astroman said not all dynos are the same. I know most if the dynos here in Colorado. Who tested the car?

[Astroman]

Originally Posted by RichardNew

Race cars with no history are worth about $0.50 on the dollar. Add up what you have in the car and hope you can get half your money back.

Good. Then if his car is anything like mine, he should be able to easily get $30K for it.

I think a few people here are forgetting that this is a car built to a specific set of rules for one of the most popular classes in PCA Club Racing. This isn't a DE car that's randomly modified beyond belief with no specific home in a racing class.

[Matt Monson]

Some comps.
1981 Porsche SC Class D Racecar
FS: '79 911 SC Race Car Fresh Build
Porsche 911 E Class Euro SC

Last one is also here in Colorado built by Dart Auto. I don't think any of these cars has sold.

[TechnoViking]

Thanks for all the info, guys.

Matt, the Dyno was done at PFI Performance up here in Fort Collins.


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[Quinlan]

As a fellow E Class racer, I would love to say the package is worth 50K!
Realistically, the extras (engine, trans, wheels) don't add value dollar for dollar vs. what you would get selling them separately.
For instance, Buckleys and Fuchs are very sought after wheels - the Buckleys are about 2K per set new, so you could prolly get 12-1500 per set used. The spare engine and transmission could probably get you 3-6K depending on their condition.
That would leave the car with one set of wheels in the low 20's, which I believe would be very competitive.

[Cory M]

I agree that selling the extras separately should put more $$ in your pocket. It can be a pain selling and shipping stuff, but if it's priced right it should sell fast on the classifieds here. The car is valuable in it's current state to someone local who wants to race in that class, but not as much to someone who wants to race in a different class and has to do a bunch of mods to get there. Out here we have a very active PCA autox scene, so any car that manages to stay street legal is worth a lot more. I'm not a fan of bolt-in cages but others might not care. If the orange highlights are decals it would probably have a wider appeal without them. Good luck with the sale. It's a good time to sell an aircooled car.

[Matt Monson]

I would buy the 3.0 in pieces and am local to you.

I think it's a $25k car, even though Dart's hasn't sold at that.

[Astroman]

Well damn, that was fast.

The car is sold already. He was asking 33K with all the spares:

1979 911SC race car

So much for the "worth more as a street car" comments...