HELP! Should I buy a Cayenne?

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by cairns

"You don't have clue."

Cobalt while I'm glad you're happy with your car and I wish you the best of luck of with it it is plainly not a vehicle for me and many others.

Attempting to justify it with claims of "100 times" better handling or "60 to 130"
acceleration times leads me to believe you're reading way too much Motor Trend. I'll just skim the towing capabilities- I tow regularly and would not attempt to tow my Porsche in an enclosed trailer in any Cayenne: One, it would exceed the tow weight limitations Porsche places on the vehicle and two, it would be dangerous as hell.

BTW I'm a nationally certified DE instructor for PCA and have driven Cayennes more than a few times- on skid pads and race tracks. As I indicated above they're great handling, powerful SUVs.

But in my, and many others, opinions there are much better values for the money. And as for looks I agree they are subjective. I think the thing is hideous.

Sorry don't read motor trend or the like or do I put much value in them, my comments are from first hand experiences both on and off track . I do not appreciate people mocking a fine product because they don't like the looks or have no personal need. We all can take it or leave it but to mock it because they don't like it is BS. We can all not like something but those opinions are just empty words and do not make the vehicle anything less than it is and it is all Porsche.

I tow my car to and from the track with the Cayenne and it does a better job than my 08 Avalanche with 6.0L motor or my previous Dodge. I agree I would not exceed the vehicles weight in tow however, but it is more than capable and a hell of a lot more comfortable. I use an open trailer and do not exceed 4500 pounds but dangerous with that load it is not. The Cayenne has better brakes and stability with this load than either of my other 2 trucks.

Looks are subjective and to me it looks like a large 996 which I find to be Porsche's down turn in styling, although they are actually making great strides with the 997. I might not like it as much as my 94 turbo but I still think it is better than most. I have driven the Cayenne on the skid pad and have seen others do quite well on the track at DE events, even had one with 4 passengers do a fabulous time at an autocross event and although many will say it does not belong there they do quite well. Show me any like SUV type vehicle that can hold a candle to the Cayenne's performance. I live in a densely populated area and prefer the performance and abilities over anything else I have tried which is about everything.

I only used the comments about speed and handling against such comments as this.

IMO these are some of the worst things Porsche ever produced- ugly, catastrophic resale value, unreliable and audio/electronics (and other basic features) that are years behind Mercedes/BMW or Japanese. Not a great SUV and certainly not a great Porsche

UGLY subjective catastrophic resale value Far better than the 996 unreliable not true show me the proof, audio/electronics (and other basic features) that are years behind Mercedes/BMW or Japanese Oh please. I owned BMW's MB sorry won't buy Japanese. I never purchased a Porsche for its gadgets just performance. If i wanted a car that parked itself I would buy a Lexus but i will leave that to the rest of the world that can't drive. Maybe better yet they should install BMW's I drive system LOLNot a great SUV and certainly not a great Porsche Say what?? What makes it a bad SUV it can outperform both on and off road far better than the Range Rover or the like. IMO it is Porsche through and through, it drives and feels like one and if driving just about every Porsche imaginable for 25 years doesn't give me some credibility and owning most at one point in time than what does??? Personal opinion about looks?

Not trying to compare it to a GT3 RS although it serves a purpose and the BS attitude it gets is no worse than all the years I heard the 911 owners rank on the 928 guys. My GTS is still an exceptional car to this day. How many years did I hear the 914's cut down and called VW's. The Cayenne is getting the same treatment and although not for everyone does not deserve to be cast aside because it is a Porsche without racing heritage.

I have been driving 911's for over 25 years seen it all. Helped import over 70 911's during the grey market in the 80's, have driven just about every type car imaginable at the time. Spent my years on the track back in the 80's and have just finally had the time to get back into it. Owned numerous Porsche's and cars other than those listed and can tell you that although you don't like it which is your prerogative, the comments made regarding its engines and issues are inaccurate and inappropriate.

[cairns]

I don't think you understand- I did not mock your vehicle. You comment that I don't have [a] clue mocked my initial response.

As I said therein- I wouldn't buy one but have one friend who likes his and another who doesn't. I also stated that given the amount of discounts one can receive on new ones (tens of thousands) they are certainly worth looking it. That's hardly mocking them. My negative remarks were harsh but were also prefaced with one very important provisio- IMO or In my opinion.

I'm not down on Cayenne's per se. I'm glad Porsche built them. But Porsche could have made them a great SUV and a great PORSCHE. In my opinion they did neither- even after starting with a clean sheet of paper. And while you "don't buy Japanese" (maybe you are prone to the prejudice that you accuse me of?) and don't buy your cars for gadgets a lot of people do care about more aspects of a vehicle than 60 to 130 acceleration times- especially in an SUV. They want an Ipod connection or a navigation system that's at least the equal of a $500 Tom Tom or seats that fold down without having to remove the headrests. How fast it accelerates from 60 to 130 is not very important in a vehicle primarily used for towing, taking the family on vacation or toting the soccer team to practice. Of course performance is important but be real- what sane person wants to be doing 130 in their SUV on public highways in crowded metropolitan areas? That's going to put you in jail- providing you don't kill yourself or others first.

As for reliability and resale value- here's another opinion that seems to be pretty middle of the road (not bad not great but fairly honest IMO- from "Canadian Driver"):

"According to Consumer Reports, the Cayenne has a similar spotty reliability record as other recent Porsche models (apparently, an older 911 is a very safe bet, but that's a story for another day); as with other high-end German cars, its electrical system components seem to let it down.

According to posts in the Cayenne forum at Rennlist.com (forums.rennlist.com), ignition coils appear to be a frequent trouble spot (a potentially expensive fix, as there are as many as eight of them - one for each cylinder), as are transmission/powertrain control modules. Also, a couple of owners mention having to have the air compressor that keeps the air suspension aloft replaced, but it's hard to say how common this issue actually is. A couple of minor problems include a rear hatch that won't stay open on its own due to weak hydraulic struts, and wipers that chatter.

While Internet forums are hardly a scientific way to find out if a vehicle is reliable or not, I'd recommend spending some time in the Cayenne forums listed at the end of this article in order to get a good idea of what things to look out for. These threads - one at Roadfly.org and another at Rennlist.com - are good places to start.

Despite the cachet of the Porsche brand, the Cayenne's resale values aren't that strong: a 2003 model is currently worth about half what it cost new, according to Canadian Red Book, a rate of depreciation similar to that of a Kia Sorento from the same year. That doesn't make a used Cayenne particularly affordable, however. Values range from a little more than $41,000 for a base 2003 model to a high of $128,700 for a 2006 Cayenne Turbo S. Canadian Red Book's $59,200 retail price for a 2005 non-turbo Cayenne S seems like a decent deal for a quick SUV; go back to 2004 and Red Book suggests you should be able to find the same model for about $48,000.

The Cayenne is a capable vehicle and no doubt an attractive proposition for drivers looking for something with the practicality of an SUV with the performance of a Porsche. Purchasing one through Porsche's certified pre-owned program would be wise, as would looking for a Cayenne with some of the original factory warranty left. In any event, a used Cayenne should be a rewarding vehicle to own if you shop wisely and go into the deal prepared for pricey maintenance and repair costs."

And while there are certainly other sources that rave about the Cayenne you probably don't want to know that Car Magazine (one of my favorites- from the UK and highly respected) called the Cayenne Turbo "utterly pointless" and found the BMW X5 to have handling superior to the Cayenne S.

So that's kind of it on the subject for me- but I do have a question- you alluded to friends driving Cayennes in DEs. Can you name the PCA region in which that occured? I understand that PCA National has specifically disallowed them- due to their mass and safety and liability concerns. I know our region and all the sister regions I'm familiar with (including NNJR) won't allow them.

[h20cooled7]

Dont do it . I work on Porsches brother SUV the Touareg. 10lbs of crap in a 5 lb bag. dont get me wrong ,they would be great if they just put a radio ,seats and heat in them . Instead they try to network everything and it turns into a overpriced electrical nightmare. The v10 diesel is awesome ,but overpriced again.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by cairns

I don't think you understand- I did not mock your vehicle. You comment that I don't have [a] clue mocked my initial response.

As I said therein- I wouldn't buy one but have one friend who likes his and another who doesn't. I also stated that given the amount of discounts one can receive on new ones (tens of thousands) they are certainly worth looking it. That's hardly mocking them. My negative remarks were harsh but were also prefaced with one very important provisio- IMO or In my opinion.

I'm not down on Cayenne's per se. I'm glad Porsche built them. But Porsche could have made them a great SUV and a great PORSCHE. In my opinion they did neither- even after starting with a clean sheet of paper. And while you "don't buy Japanese" (maybe you are prone to the prejudice that you accuse me of?) and don't buy your cars for gadgets a lot of people do care about more aspects of a vehicle than 60 to 130 acceleration times- especially in an SUV. They want an Ipod connection or a navigation system that's at least the equal of a $500 Tom Tom or seats that fold down without having to remove the headrests. How fast it accelerates from 60 to 130 is not very important in a vehicle primarily used fo towing, taking the family on vacation or toting the soccer team to practice. Of course performance is important but be real- what sane person wants to be doing 130 in their SUV on public highways in crowded metropolitan areas? That's going to put you in jail- providing you don't kill yourself or others first.

As for reliability and resale value- here's another opinion that seems to be pretty middle of the road (not bad not great but fairly honest IMO- from "Canadian Driver"):

"According to Consumer Reports, the Cayenne has a similar spotty reliability record as other recent Porsche models (apparently, an older 911 is a very safe bet, but that's a story for another day); as with other high-end German cars, its electrical system components seem to let it down.

According to posts in the Cayenne forum at Rennlist.com (forums.rennlist.com), ignition coils appear to be a frequent trouble spot (a potentially expensive fix, as there are as many as eight of them - one for each cylinder), as are transmission/powertrain control modules. Also, a couple of owners mention having to have the air compressor that keeps the air suspension aloft replaced, but it's hard to say how common this issue actually is. A couple of minor problems include a rear hatch that won't stay open on its own due to weak hydraulic struts, and wipers that chatter.

While Internet forums are hardly a scientific way to find out if a vehicle is reliable or not, I'd recommend spending some time in the Cayenne forums listed at the end of this article in order to get a good idea of what things to look out for. These threads - one at Roadfly.org and another at Rennlist.com - are good places to start.

Despite the cachet of the Porsche brand, the Cayenne's resale values aren't that strong: a 2003 model is currently worth about half what it cost new, according to Canadian Red Book, a rate of depreciation similar to that of a Kia Sorento from the same year. That doesn't make a used Cayenne particularly affordable, however. Values range from a little more than $41,000 for a base 2003 model to a high of $128,700 for a 2006 Cayenne Turbo S. Canadian Red Book's $59,200 retail price for a 2005 non-turbo Cayenne S seems like a decent deal for a quick SUV; go back to 2004 and Red Book suggests you should be able to find the same model for about $48,000.

The Cayenne is a capable vehicle and no doubt an attractive proposition for drivers looking for something with the practicality of an SUV with the performance of a Porsche. Purchasing one through Porsche's certified pre-owned program would be wise, as would looking for a Cayenne with some of the original factory warranty left. In any event, a used Cayenne should be a rewarding vehicle to own if you shop wisely and go into the deal prepared for pricey maintenance and repair costs."

And while there are certainly other sources that rave about the Cayenne you probably don't want to know that Car Magazine (one of my favorites- from the UK and highly respected) called the Cayenne Turbo "utterly pointless" and found the BMW X5 to have handling superior to the Cayenne S.

So that's kind of it on the subject for me- but I do have a question- you alluded to friends driving Cayennes in DEs. Can you name the PCA region in which that occured? I understand that PCA National has specifically disallowed them- due to their mass and safety and liability concerns. I know our region and all the sister regions I'm familiar with (including NNJR) won't allow them.

I guess we see things differently, although you feel your comments weren't derogatory and justified by adding IMO. I felt they were unwarranted conjecture based solely on opinion (ie clueless). So do your comments educate or just slam the cayenne because of dislike? Yes, this is a public forum and yes any argument is a loosing one, but we are here to discuss and not ridicule based on conjecture which is what you were doing (read your own words).

You say you know NNJR won't allow the Cayenne at DE events? Again conjecture. We allow the Cayenne I can point out several events with Cayenne's. Maybe you should talk to our track chair or Mr. Tremper about that.

I happen to be quite active on rennlist and the Cayenne forum and what you are discussing are more isolated occurrences. A few negative threads you seem to highlight. Most of which are more isolated than common. There are split opinions about the cayenne I agree with LTC leading the band wagon about its issues. He had an early 03 (which he claimed he never owned). Yes the early 03 cars had issues after all it was something completely new and different for Porsche. Look back in history and you will see this is not the first time Porsche had issues with new concepts. This is known as a learning curve.

I have numerous friends that own Cayenne's and not a one has had any major issues. I can point out problems with any manufacturer's quality today. As we add more crap onto our cars there is more to go wrong. Like I said if I wanted the Cayenne to be a gadget mobile or like every other product I wouldn't have purchased it. If that is what you look for in a car than that is up to you. I guess I drive older Porsche's because I don't want all the aids and gimmicks. I was in a 997 GT3 the other day and it had Nav???? I can't understand why anyone would want Nav in a GT3 and even more so why would you buy a GT3 to drive on the street. It makes an awful street car but a hell of a great track car. Do you need the Nav to tell you to brake and turn right in 500 yards at the Glen LOL. Oh and yes the Nav in the Gt3 was just as poor as the one in the CT.

What confuses me is you talk about the Cayenne in terms that you feel are specific to Porsche when almost every other manufacturer does the same thing or has similar issues.

My mother just purchased an 08 MB E350 far better car than her previous 04 E500 which was in the shop more than on the road. Resale on the MB was no better than a Cayenne or any other vehicle. She received a nice incentive and price reduction to buy the new car. Look at the new BMW 7 series now lets talk about serious depreciation and worse what that did to the values of the previous 7 series that BMW had to purchase back from me because of so many problems. Not to mention an overly complicated confusing electronics system that is more trouble than it is worth. I constantly get incentive mailers from BMW to buy a new 08 6 or 7 series car. After owning many BMW's I will never own another unless it is an older CSI or M1. How about anyone who purchased a 00 or 01 996. My B-in-law purchased a new 01 for nearly $90k sold it recently after 2 years on the market for $32k with 13k miles mint condition. Could not get a buyer. My new 08 Avalanche has the same throttle response issue as some Cayenne owners have complained about with the Drive by wire throttle. In fact it is far worse in the Chevy then those I have witnessed in the Porsche, yet why when Porsche has this issue they are a bunch of F'ups. I can go on and on about other cars with far worse resale value or issues than the Cayenne. So why is the Cayenne being mocked for something that most every other new vehicle suffers from? Oh, thats right Porsche is not allowed to make mistakes.

I will say that what you said in your more recent posts comes across more informative with far less conjecture and in some ways helpful to those posting the question. Your initial response was no less an attack towards something I happen to appreciate, than my response to you saying your response was clueless. I am not trying to be the defender of the Marque although I do get annoyed and will call out when opinions are expressed as fact and accuracy is no longer part of the picture.

I too recommend anyone interested in the Cayenne to read other forums and test drive the car, evaluate its potential and determine if it is the vehicle for you. The Cayenne is a great vehicle IMO and Porsche can make improvements but I have tried the BMW's the MB's the RR etc, etc and IMO they can't hold a candle no matter what Porsche & 911 World says. (which I do read and chuckle at, the English can be a bit quirky, sorry)

Not trying to make enemies but I think we understand each other a little better now. Lets let people make up their own minds instead of bashing something and putting a bad taste in their mouth..

[cairns]

Agreed...and if you ever got to a DE PM me please- we'll have a coke (and maybe something else afterwards).

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by cairns

Agreed...and if you ever got to a DE PM me please- we'll have a coke (and maybe something else afterwards).

Sounds good. My wife and I make most NNJR events with 2 more coming up would be nice to sit down and BS over a coke afterwards although I prefer mine with a little JD.

[ebenke]

With 40k miles on an '05 - I can vouch for the Cayenne.

I have done nearly everything with mine, tow a 7,000 lb boat, motorcycle trailer, off-road, off road with trailer, pulled a few corners, run triple digits, rain, sun, cold, hot, and no problems with any piece of it - ever.

A Cayenne is not a Carrera, and it need not be one, it's and SUV and a very capable one. It can haul a ton of stuff if need be. Since it is a Porsche it does drive likes it's on rails, the steering feel is excellent, brakes awesome, and it out performs and embarrasses other SUV's, BMW, MB included.

[Roger 911]

Not to muddy the water, but we picked up a Q7 3.6 in March of this year for my wife. It's great. However, about the only time I drive it is when we tow the 911 to DE events. It handles great for an SUV, tows fine, plenty of room (including third row seats), and is at least $10-12K less than a comparably equipped Cayenne.

We we're thinking about a used T-reg or Cayenne before we got the Q7. Personally, I would probably get a '06 V8 T-reg in place of the '04 Cayenne S. I haven't priced them lately, but I suspect they're comparable. My understanding is that '04 was indeed the worst year for T-regs.

My biggest gripe with the Cayenne is the interior styling. I know it's a matter of taste, but I think the higher end interior in a T-reg looks a lot classier than that of a Cayenne (although with "Porsche Individual", I'm sure another $30K could make it better). If you want a sporty looking interior, I like the Q7 better than the Cayenne as well.

As we all know (or should know), these three share a lot. Therefore, it's not really plausible to say that one is a gem and another is a turd. They are all really "variations on a theme".

[eR1c]

i've never understood SUV's.... to me they are just minivans that have been raised off the ground 1/2 a foot. They don't handle like a sports car, they don't have off-road capabilities like a Jeep, and don't have towing capabilities or the ability to haul a bunch of stuff like a truck. They seem to be decent at a lot of things but not specialized in any one area. -oh and their typically gas guzzlers.

(just my 2 cents)

[Roger 911]

"I've never understood SUV's.... "

The first SUV I bought was a '95 Range Rover (old style). I justified the need for a Range Rover on the premise that I was going to do some recreational off-roading. I did that once.

To be perfectly honest, as soon as they make a minivan with both AWD and at least a 5000lb towing capacity, I will never buy an SUV again (well, I shouldn't say never!). They're getting close to this now, but are still a bit light on the towing capacity.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by eR1c

i've never understood SUV's.... to me they are just minivans that have been raised off the ground 1/2 a foot. They don't handle like a sports car, they don't have off-road capabilities like a Jeep, and don't have towing capabilities or the ability to haul a bunch of stuff like a truck. They seem to be decent at a lot of things but not specialized in any one area. -oh and their typically gas guzzlers.

(just my 2 cents)

Obviously you have never driven a Cayenne S or turbo.

They do in fact handle incredibly well. My CT can run circles around most sedans and can sit on a 911's tail through some seriously twisty roads. (although it needs to be in manual shift mode to do so) It has great high speed stability can load a full set of tires in the back along with a jack and tools and carry my son and wife and all our luggage needed for the track and best of all tow my car with ease. Something I might be able to do in other vehicles but without the comfort and power. While driving it feels like driving a large 911 even when towing, something I can't say about any other vehicle of this type. It does very well off road, is more stable in inclement weather than anything I have driven and that goes for the jeeps and pickups I have owned. I have plowed through 18"s of fresh powder and it did not flinch doing it. I dare you to try to do what a cayenne can do in any other 4x4. I have had the CT in Vermont and watched as other SUV's and Pickup 4X4's sat on the side of the road stuck and this thing just made its way like it was a sunny day.

In all seriousness it is an extraordinary vehicle capable of things many claim but fall short on. It is my car of choice when the weather is not worth taking one of my other cars out and if the weather clears and I find myself on a twisty back road I don't find myself saying I wish I had my turbo or C2. Although down deep I did it does well enough to allow me to enjoy the road and not think about how I am working at driving something like my Avalanche or Dodge Pickup.

Before you criticize take one out for a test drive and see for yourself.

[Tobra]

To me it is the answer to a question nobody asked, what about a Porsche SUV?

I understand why they build them, they are very profitable. That does not mean I have any interest in one, despite its capabilities, and no matter how hard Anthony tries to sell it. When I buy my next Porsche, it will be a sports car.

If I were going to buy a truck, it would not be a German one that is too small inside. If I am going off roading, it will not be in a vehicle that costs as much as a house. I would much rather buy a Cayman S and a 4 WD truck, and have some money left over, rather than buy a Cayenne turbo.

[Roger 911]

Originally Posted by Tobra

If I were going to buy a truck, it would not be a German one that is too small inside. If I am going off roading, it will not be in a vehicle that costs as much as a house. I would much rather buy a Cayman S and a 4 WD truck, and have some money left over, rather than buy a Cayenne turbo.

These are all valid points. However, for some people, bigger is not always better. Therefore, a F150 Crewcab or a Navigator is not always interchangeable with a Cayenne or an M-Class. Also, "houses" vary a lot in price, which makes a Cayman S a pretty nice "house" for some folks too. It's all relative.

In my opinion, if you start to "rationalize" any Porsche purchase, you will probably wind up with something else (unless you started the process with a Ferrari in mind). It usually boils down to emotion and image.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by Roger 911

These are all valid points. However, for some people, bigger is not always better. Therefore, a F150 Crewcab or a Navigator is not always interchangeable with a Cayenne or an M-Class. Also, "houses" vary a lot in price, which makes a Cayman S a pretty nice "house" for some folks too. It's all relative.

In my opinion, if you start to "rationalize" any Porsche purchase, you will probably wind up with something else (unless you started the process with a Ferrari in mind). It usually boils down to emotion and image.

OK I want to know where I can buy a house for the price of a Caymen S? LOL

I want to expand my garage and it will cost me much more.

I would never say buy a Cayenne in place of a sports car if a sports car is what you want. I was saying that the Cayenne serves a very valid purpose and since I have the opportunity to own both, the Cayenne is a great alternative vehicle. It handles great and is fun to drive and feels like a sports car in SUV guise. It is a great vehicle and if you need this type of vehicle I would suggest no other. If I needed to tote a family of 4 around 90% of time and wanted a Porsche I would take the Cayenne over anything else currently offered. I might (I said might) even buy a Panamera when it comes out as the 911 and surely the Caymen is out of the question. So as I state here the CT is a great alternative to those that need the added room. You can still have the space you need and drive it on a winding road and not feel so removed like you do in most other vehicles out there.

[Roger 911]

[QUOTE=Cobalt;3560638]OK I want to know where I can buy a house for the price of a Caymen S? LOLQUOTE]

I'm here to help. Follow this link...

http://homes.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?ctid=88009&typ=7&sid=521aa787da294cd0af44ebd2beff7ff7&pg=20&lid=1088061196&lsn=192&srcnt=878#Detail

...and this is only comparable to a "stripped down" Cayman S.

[cairns]

Hey is that close to Mid-Ohio????

[Cobalt]

[QUOTE=Roger 911;3560723]

Originally Posted by Cobalt

OK I want to know where I can buy a house for the price of a Caymen S? LOLQUOTE]

I'm here to help. Follow this link...

http://homes.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?ctid=88009&typ=7&sid=521aa787da294cd0af44ebd2beff7ff7&pg=20&lid=1088061196&lsn=192&srcnt=878#Detail

...and this is only comparable to a "stripped down" Cayman S.

WOW. I didn't know you could buy a house anywhere for that little. I guess it is property value. For comparison a 25 x 100 ft lot here in Hoboken without any buildings sells for $1.1 million. Condos start at $550k for 900 sq ft. I guess not much going on around Lima Ohio.

Originally Posted by cairns

Hey is that close to Mid-Ohio????

I was thinking the same thing. Could be useful if it were.

[Roger 911]

Originally Posted by cairns

Hey is that close to Mid-Ohio????

Well, I guess close is a relative term. I think you're probably looking at 2.5-3 hours. But there are plenty of other little towns closer to Mid Ohio that offer similar pricing.

Yes, Lima is pretty affordable. I used to cover NW Ohio 15 years ago as a sales rep. I was always amazed at how cheap the home prices were in some of the little towns, and they were decent looking houses in decent neighborhoods too. I live in Chicago now where that money might get me a 1-2 car addition on my garage. Supply and demand.

On a related note, I am already making my plans to retire in central WI near Road America. Cheese, bratwurst, and road racing...heaven on earth!

[Tobra]

If I want to haul people I buy a sedan, if I want to haul stuff or tow a trailer, give me a body on frame truck.

My wife is partial to trucks, so we have a body on frame SUV that towed a car and hauled a bunch of stuff out to Cali from Texas.

I would never try to rationalize any decision I make, but I try to make important decisions rationally. If you are shopping for a place near a track, I guarantee I could find you a number of places within an hour of the track in Bryan/College Station, Texas for less than you could get ANY new P car

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by Tobra

If I want to haul people I buy a sedan, if I want to haul stuff or tow a trailer, give me a body on frame truck.

Why do you say this?

I recently sold my Dodge Pickup and currently drive an Avalanche 6.0 L as my daily driver. Sold my 7 series BMW for the CT and would never go back. I use the Avalanche to tow my track car because it has more room for my sons Bike and kid stuff not to mention DVD etc. I would prefer to use the CT to tow as it does a far better job than my Avalanche and much better job than my old Dodge it just doesn't hold enough of my sons gear to make it worth long trips. I do find that after 3 hours of towing in the Avalanche I need to stop as where when towing with the CT I can drive 8 hours straight only needing to stop when nature calls.

So why does a body on frame truck appeal to you more?