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05-18-2021 03:28 AM |
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Originally Posted by paul_howey
(Post 11335255)
Talk about a thread gone off the rails... This thread is supposed to be about 964 vs G body VALUES.
I think the topic regarding which platform you prefer based on personal preference has already been discussed at nauseam on this forum.
But if you wish to engage in that futile discussion, I’m sure there are countless threads that could benefit from posts like these in the appropriate sections.
However, it would be quite interesting if anyone would like to discuss the actual topic of this thread as I could only imagine that there may be some well informed perspectives on the subject.
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All these threads go off topic. The argument arose why a 964 is more or less valuable than a G-body. Part of that is preference and the other is quantity available. I didn't start down the ugly bumper path just pointed out it is a Subjective subject and as others say they prefer the one and I the other.
The same crap happens when comparing the earlier cars to the 993. The 993 lovers all point out how beautiful the 993 is compared to the earlier cars. Again a subjective comment not a fact. If you want to get down to why there is a disparity in values it is in the product itself. If you allow looks to be the only influence then it is open and shut based on your preference but if you compare abilities and features it can be broken down.
The 964 took the Gbody to the next level while still retaining quite a bit of the old 911's charm and experience with minimal cosmetic changes. The covering of the impact bumpers vs using exposed aluminum was long overdue and although some find it ugly if you line them up side by side a 964's lines are more similar to the early long nose cars vs the G-body's and don't have those god awful rubber bumpers hanging off the back end. You can like or dislike the bumpers but there is so much that the 964 offers which is an improvement over the earlier cars without loosing that trailing arm air-cooled experience. In order to improve handling and keep up with the times Porsche had to get off their behinds and make a full change to the rather antiquated tub. There are always pros and cons to changes, stiffening and adding improved safety did have its cons such as added weight although they compensated for this by increasing displacement. Bigger brakes and ABS are a plus IMO, but again add more weight. I drove G-body's for decades and after a while behind the wheel of a 964 I found I prefer them over any of the G-bodied 911's I owned prior including the 3.0RS clone which was an amazing machine.
The availability of the 964 is probably the biggest factor. Very few were made and of those unlike the earlier cars there were now multiple versions to chose from So for the US market only 5106 coupes were imported and of those you had a standard C2 version which could be optioned with a 5 speed G50 or a tiptronic transmission. Or you could opt for the new C4 AWD version. I Personally prefer the C2 5 Speed. There are very few available so my cars are mostly C4's converted to C2's which IMO is a better combination. This leaves the Electro hydraulic braking system which the standard C2 does not have unless in the rare Cup or RS versions.
I would guess if Walter Röhrl chose the 964 as his car of choice and owns a 3.6RS it had to make an impression on him. The 964 platform can be tweaked or tuned to do more than any Gbody and in stock form is limited but has endless possibilities with upgrades from later cars that can easily be bolted to a 964 that would take considerable modifications and expense to do on a Gbody or earlier car and usually not deliver 100% of the upgrade.
IMO the 964 will go down as the 911 to own and being so few remaining I don't see how prices will ever fall since so many want them.
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