Arcadia - every car has their challenges. SC's with headstands, 3.2's with valve guides. Doesn't hit them all. The Carreras are only a couple hundred pounds difference, but have a 37 HP gap to close. From a HP to weight ratio, the Carreras have about 15-16% more power to weight. And this is with the G50 transmission making up a good deal of it... The rev and torque can be addressed really easily in the 3.2 with a chipset, which many swear by. No need to bash the 3.2s to prop up the SCs, they are a great car with renown longevity on their own without question.

After 14 years, I opted for an 87-89, for the gearbox, and the improved AC VENTS. Not the AC - that still sucks pretty bad. But their are solutions for that.

So back to your original question as to why the SCs are down in the market right now, in addition to some of the points made, it could be that the current cars to market are not peaking buyers, or owners of good cars are holding tight. Hard to say. In my opinion only, and not something I feel strongly about or really care about, it seems the market has put a premium on the 3.2s lately, and the G50 box cars get a slight nudge. 964s and 993s are a different animal. I also firmly believe, the market will reward good cars - always. SCs will have their day in the sun, I have no doubt. Time will continue to decrease the available solid cars due to accidents, neglect, and bad decisions. Its not an investment per se, but a hobby that is not a COMPLETE black hole - I hope.

Matt - BTW - have you seen the new Seiko watches? They are badass...Love the red and black.
https://www.seikowatches.com/us-en/news/20221011

:D Sure.

I have not. I’ll have to look at my desk tomorrow.

My dad always wore a Seiko until his company gave him a Tudor for 35 years of service. I have an 80s Seiko in a drawer somewhere from when I wore watches. Only watch I wear now is a Suunto GPS watch for adventuring.

Funny my dad was also a seiko guy, still wears one. I used some per diem $$s when I was entering flight school and bought a Rolex gmt. 36 years and still my main watch.. I like this Seiko a lot.

He still daily wears the Seiko and the company watch stays in a box unless he’s going to some sort of event. He treats it as a dress watch.

You run, but you can't hide. You just drive things into the weeds in trying. I was in Hong Kong at age 21 while you were maybe 12? The only thing I bought was a Jade ring for my pops which he wears to this day (cool big one at good value then and genuine).

Speaking of watches, I have never worn a Seiko -- that is a dorky watch to wear for jewelry although they are premium quality mind you. Last year I sold my Breitling Black Bird which I wasn't wearing, sold my blue faced Mariner Rolex years ago. Still have a nice Rolex that was a present from the parents 20 years ago. Can't sell that or I would probably. Don't wear it much, just wear a plastics blue watch which is light so I can tell time in the classroom on the job.

As per BTR, you are dead wrong as usual. Don't forget how you mocked it and me (M1 and you). I never rebuilt the motor in the end, cancelled it. I kept that money, sold the car as it was. I never lacked the ability to finish it. Actually I have the ability more than you to finish out cars from scratch and all in bits like a 73 RS, an R34 GT-R and countless others from 20 years ago. What have you finished out? :D

Nah! The Ruf BTR III was something I left on the shelf too long out of sight, out of mind -- saving best for last. I finally realized I didn't want to finish it out since I bought property in the mountains and was consumed with house projects X 2. I grew out of it! Besides, it's too fast to drive or enjoy with speed limits nation wide here, a no brained for me, so I cashed out. Now stop all your spreading BS about me and my RUF on this forum and try to find a little humility from within yourself if it were possible. :)

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

I have several Seiko Pogue’s and an “Astronaut’ (style worn by the shuttle crew in the 80’s) that belonged to my dad… I have a pretty decent watch collection, but I mostly wear my Samsung Galaxy watch.

https://fifthwrist.com/seiko-pogue-chronograph-review/

http://www.digital-watch.com/DWL/1work/seiko-a829-6019

Don't care much about your watch collection really. It's a bit boring. Why don't you tear into how you and M2 mocked my RUF? Got any balls left on you M1?

Who's "Daddy Wasn't There"? (see Austin Powers)

Try Mini Me (M1 vs M2). :D

That hurts man.

Funny, I’m sure you wouldn’t be so bold in person.

Last word.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1674150750.jpg

guys, get a room.

sheesh...

I have no idea what this has to do with anything.

Something about a drop in SC values, maybe?

No, no, I think it was "my watch is better than yours" thread. :rolleyes:

Take this SC value nonsense somewhere else.

It’s a “the 915 is better” thread. Just ask Suga.