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matt930s 01-19-2023 02:48 PM

https://youtu.be/eksaGYygLsw

juanbenae 01-19-2023 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dwelle (Post 11900698)
guys, get a room.

sheesh...


always feel honored when MC Markie Marc checks in! hope you are well my man.

Matt Monson 01-19-2023 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by matt930s (Post 11901185)

Awesome.

1979-930 01-20-2023 05:29 AM

I had to see what happened when this thread went to page 5. Sugar checked in... WOW.
Who knew Ol' Sugar could stir the pot that well with one line.
With the help of the Bernie-Matt show anyway.

dwelle 01-20-2023 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by juanbenae (Post 11901321)
always feel honored when MC Markie Marc checks in! hope you are well my man.

kickin' it, tobs. kickin' it...

MadeofOak 01-28-2023 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Triesch (Post 11898134)
No matter what anyone says the 3.2 has incredibly reliable motronic engine management, bigger brakes , quicker 0-60 , higher top speed , lower seats , bigger engine, more power and lined cylinder s for longer bottom end life. The 3.2 is almost a completely new motor compared to the SC. My Carrera lasted 160,000 miles before top end and bottom end was perfect.

X2!

3.2 are the last, best 911s before they started 'improving' them.

Nick Triesch 01-29-2023 08:03 AM

I have had two seasoned Porsche mechanics tell me the 3.2 is the best of the era. I did my homework before I bought my 85. Why would you not choose motronic? Takes care of the motor with no fuss. Motronic controls everything and is super reliable . What I wrote up above is all true.

Arcadia 02-02-2023 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Triesch (Post 11908935)
I have had two seasoned Porsche mechanics tell me the 3.2 is the best of the era. I did my homework before I bought my 85. Why would you not choose motronic? Takes care of the motor with no fuss. Motronic controls everything and is super reliable . What I wrote up above is all true.

You know what? "I did my homework" also, over the last 15 years, owning both a 964 and 993. Boasting about antiquated upgrades like the MFI, increased HP (LOL!!), and better brakes on a 30-40 year old 911 is just laughable. Who gives a rats at this point in time. Talking about the improved "reliability" on the successive air-cooled models is futile. It's 2023, and there's not an air-cooled model out there that hasn't required extensive sorting and maintenance to date. Those upgrades mean nothing and certainly don't equate to a better driving experience in 2023. I've owned a 964 and 993. Both are considered far more evolved than the 3.2 and SC. That may well be, but I far more prefer the driving experience of my SC to both. So, you're not going to convince me that your 3.2 is a more pleasurable 911 to drive just because you did your due diligence and followed the opinions of "seasoned Porsche mechanics" who told you that the 3.2 is the "best" of the era for its NOW dated and obsolete components.

matt930s 02-02-2023 07:14 PM

Actually the 2.7 was the best…..

juanbenae 02-02-2023 08:46 PM

i drove a couple 3.2 after selling my spec car and they felt heavy like pig. my SC even before huge changes during the racecar built never felt so lumbering.

matt930s 02-03-2023 04:36 AM

2.4 was the best….

touringmandan 02-03-2023 04:50 AM

A 2.4E coupe with MFI is my sweet spot. No S/R, please.

Matt Monson 02-03-2023 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Arcadia (Post 11912989)
You know what? "I did my homework" also, over the last 15 years, owning both a 964 and 993. Boasting about antiquated upgrades like the MFI, increased HP (LOL!!), and better brakes on a 30-40 year old 911 is just laughable. Who gives a rats at this point in time. Talking about the improved "reliability" on the successive air-cooled models is futile. It's 2023, and there's not an air-cooled model out there that hasn't required extensive sorting and maintenance to date. Those upgrades mean nothing and certainly don't equate to a better driving experience in 2023. I've owned a 964 and 993. Both are considered far more evolved than the 3.2 and SC. That may well be, but I far more prefer the driving experience of my SC to both. So, you're not going to convince me that your 3.2 is a more pleasurable 911 to drive just because you did your due diligence and followed the opinions of "seasoned Porsche mechanics" who told you that the 3.2 is the "best" of the era for its NOW dated and obsolete components.

Well said.

NYNick 02-03-2023 06:33 AM

Besides, bigger is ALWAYS better...not.

matt930s 02-03-2023 07:12 AM

2.2 E is the best.

Matt Monson 02-03-2023 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by matt930s (Post 11913313)
2.2 E is the best.

The 2.2E powered 75 911s targa I owned a few years back was the most fun to drive of all the air cooleds I have owned.

matt930s 02-03-2023 07:25 AM

Yeah, I have that engine too w/webers...

NYNick 02-03-2023 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11913317)
The 2.2E powered 75 911s targa I owned a few years back was the most fun to drive of all the air cooleds I have owned.

I just had this type of conversation with another buddy of mine and it's especially relevant to Porsches.

Some of the most fun cars I've ever owned have had smaller engines. The bigger is better smokescreen blinds people from the fun factor. Just look at what monsters are selling as sports cars today. Over powered, overly capable, highly engineered vehicles that are literally impossible to exercise on the street.

Give me a hot short stroke or 16 valve 4 banger to wring out any day.

Marine Blue 02-03-2023 06:02 PM

Looking specifically at the auto industry from an engineering perspective it does follow an engagement/capability curve. As a new generation is introduced you lose a level of involvement to the latest technology. In the early days some of this “involvement” wasn’t exactly welcome like the manual crank cars vs an electric starter. Other technology can be debated like power steering. Personally I’m in an age bracket that appreciates a properly set up power steering. The level of involvement you’re willing to give up is often dictated by what you have been exposed to growing up.

My personal curve places the peak of the performance and driver involvement around 2010. Cars introduced after that take away some of that driver input/feedback in favor of electronics that can function faster than our brains.

It’s an interesting topic, not sure how it relates to the SC market though.

touringmandan 02-04-2023 03:12 AM

I find that I enjoy driving an older, lower HP car or bike closer to it's limits, rather than drive a high tech "nannied" car, whose limits are way beyond most driver once the "nannies" are de-activated.
My favorite bike is my '65 BMW R50/2. Cable drum brakes, F&R, and an Earles fork. 70 mph in a sweeping corner takes skill and gets the adrenaline flowing.


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