Why is the SC the ONLY aircooled model to see a 5% value drop since October

[Arcadia]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

"If you care about the value of your 911, then you can't afford your 911"
@sugarwood

Curious assessment, as I've owned four 911s since 2011 and affordability has never really been an issue. But value has as I've netted over $50k in profits from the sales of those previous 911s. Not anything to shout about compared to a good mutual fund over 12 years, but then again, not nearly as boring.

[FA-18C]

Not sure I understand the quote…

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by FA-18C

Not sure I understand the quote…

Wood rarely makes sense.

[juanbenae]

look at ol sweet-stump causing a stir by dabbling around some here..

speaking in code he says If you care about the value of your 911, then you can't afford your 911

[matt930s]

Where’s that shifting video?

https://youtu.be/AmOwHoJlK14

[ab1752]

Speaking of values, BaT strikes again: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-porsche-911-carrera-coupe-8/

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by Arcadia

Curious assessment, as I've owned four 911s since 2011 and affordability has never really been an issue. .

Then why are you freaking the fukk out about a 5% delta in the value of SC's ?

[DaytonaCoupe66]

Originally Posted by ab1752

Speaking of values, BaT strikes again: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-porsche-911-carrera-coupe-8/

Pretty car and strong $$$. Careful not to sit in that one with greasy coveralls.

[911heaven]

Originally Posted by juanbenae

look at ol sweet-stump causing a stir by dabbling around some here..

speaking in code he says If you care about the value of your 911, then you can't afford your 911

Why y'all harem boys gang banging sugarwood again? He's got some good ideas, and that quote is right on if you ask me. It's the love for the 911, not just what it's worth now or future. Some may not be able to afford the hobby but so be it. Sugarwood has good ideas too! For instance his Japanese car thread which is so addictive for many. I've made a point not to let M2 take it over just because he's such a JDM Hoser!

[FA-18C]

His post merely pondered the rationale behind the difference in value (this is the Marketplace Discussion Forum), I read no freaking into it. The whole "then you can't afford it" comment is the kind that screams demeaning arrogance. Not sure if that was the intent, but sure comes across that way and adds nothing but smug snark to the discussion. Not everyone on here is sitting on unlimited cash to pay dealership prices for parts and repairs, that is the whole idea behind the forum in the first place. So the idea that maybe you are not welcome because you can't afford it...shaking my head.

[911heaven]

Originally Posted by FA-18C

His post merely pondered the rationale behind the difference in value (this is the Marketplace Discussion Forum), I read no freaking into it. The whole "then you can't afford it" comment is the kind that screams demeaning arrogance. Not sure if that was the intent, but sure comes across that way and adds nothing but smug snark to the discussion. Not everyone on here is sitting on unlimited cash to pay dealership prices for parts and repairs, that is the whole idea behind the forum in the first place. So the idea that maybe you are not welcome because you can't afford it...shaking my head.

Truth is, if you can't afford it your out full stop! Dealer prices meh, who pays that that on this forum if they are smart and tactical? Sugarwood is just making a point i.e. it's not a poor man's hobby unless you have skills and knowledge to get over the curve. If you don't, you had better have some money up your sleeve ....

[FA-18C]

Again, the post was wondering why SCs are down in the market, when others or not. Arcadia was not panicking as if he was going to sell a stock that was going down. You really can't see that saying "If you care about the value of your 911, then you can't afford your 911" is some kind of twisted snark? Could the same be said about your house? By extension, if you worry about market value of your house you can't afford it? Did not read anything in Sugar's post about skills and knowledge. Regardless, not sure you are the arbitrating authority on judging if someone can afford the hobby. There is always a way, or it may take more time, but "out full stop"? Disagree. Not choosing sides, just didn't think Arcadia deserved the judgmental posts. I'm out.

[Matt Monson]

There goes the neighborhood.

[911heaven]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

There goes the neighborhood.

Yeah, the house! That's a more long term and better investment. Still, the cars are good considering...

[NYNick]

Originally Posted by FA-18C

His post merely pondered the rationale behind the difference in value (this is the Marketplace Discussion Forum), I read no freaking into it. The whole "then you can't afford it" comment is the kind that screams demeaning arrogance. Not sure if that was the intent, but sure comes across that way and adds nothing but smug snark to the discussion. Not everyone on here is sitting on unlimited cash to pay dealership prices for parts and repairs, that is the whole idea behind the forum in the first place. So the idea that maybe you are not welcome because you can't afford it...shaking my head.

He's a professional snarker. Those comments are meant to sound demeaning and arrogant. That's his MO.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by NYNick

He's a professional snarker. Those comments are meant to sound demeaning and arrogant. That's his MO.

And Bernie is always quick to jump right in with him.

[Arcadia]

Originally Posted by FA-18C

Again, the post was wondering why SCs are down in the market, when others or not. Arcadia was not panicking as if he was going to sell a stock that was going down. You really can't see that saying "If you care about the value of your 911, then you can't afford your 911" is some kind of twisted snark? Could the same be said about your house? By extension, if you worry about market value of your house you can't afford it? Did not read anything in Sugar's post about skills and knowledge. Regardless, not sure you are the arbitrating authority on judging if someone can afford the hobby. There is always a way, or it may take more time, but "out full stop"? Disagree. Not choosing sides, just didn't think Arcadia deserved the judgmental posts. I'm out.

Thank you. That's exactly the point of my inquiry. Why is the SC the only air-cooled model taking a hit? SCs are incredibly robust and reliable cars. And in the opinions of many, much lighter, rev happier and more enjoyable to drive than the 3.2s. And the oft disparaged MFI to me is one of the reasons that make the SC so good.

[FA-18C]

I think it is just data, and what is selling recently more than a real trend. The market will likely always put a small premium on the 87-89 cars as the "last of..." but a really good SC should still bring good money. Don't get me wrong, it is far inferior to say for instance, an 88 Targa (cough, cough), but still a good car

[Marine Blue]

The current crop of cars for sale, good or bad can definitely impact the graphs. I’ve seen similar with the 964’s, lots of pigs with lipstick being sold and buyers are getting more savvy so they aren’t getting the crazy high prices which trends everything down. Many of the really good cars trade privately and never get placed on Hagerty’s list and frankly Hagerty’s insurance prices are so high that they only see a small portion of the market. Even BAT doesn’t see some of the really nice examples as there’s always a handful of buyers lined up to buy the good cars before they make it to market.

I wouldn’t read into it too much at this point. Long term Air cooled cars will very likely level for a bit and then continue their climb, especially as we move away from ICE and into other types of fuel/electric.

[911heaven]

Originally Posted by Marine Blue

The current crop of cars for sale, good or bad can definitely impact the graphs. I’ve seen similar with the 964’s, lots of pigs with lipstick being sold and buyers are getting more savvy so they aren’t getting the crazy high prices which trends everything down. Many of the really good cars trade privately and never get placed on Hagerty’s list and frankly Hagerty’s insurance prices are so high that they only see a small portion of the market. Even BAT doesn’t see some of the really nice examples as there’s always a handful of buyers lined up to buy the good cars before they make it to market.

I wouldn’t read into it too much at this point. Long term Air cooled cars will very likely level for a bit and then continue their climb, especially as we move away from ICE and into other types of fuel/electric.

There's a real pretty 964 over here (not for sale) in signal green. If I get time in days or weeks I'll snap some if I can. Thought cobalt would like to see too. Getting 2.5 months off work shortly, so I'll make an effort. It's a cup car 3.8 race car one of 200 built, 17K km on the clock and you could eat off the engine that clean and pristine.