Got Banned on BaT with This Informative Writeup About the 964s

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by -Levi-

I don't blame them for banning you.
The 964 is what it is, I'm not saying you are wrong (or right for that matter) but I tend to agree with you. what I don't understand is why you would post that on an individuals for sale listing?? Clearly that is the wrong time and place for it, and as a seller I would be annoyed.


Comments like that are to be discussed at places like this, not in someones live auction.

Then where are they supposed to go? I thought BaT was the place for COMMENTS under an AUCTION.

I don't know who you are, but if you read my post, there was not a thing negative about the car but FACTS.

There were 81 posts of how great and amazing, and awesome and blistering 964s were and are.

I was the one guy who spoke from experience, knew the cars when new, knew they weren't and aren't that great, knew that the 964 RS and its variants were the same as a Carrera 2, that they marketed them with less things than a Carrera 2 for more money, even though it's the same same car with deletions, etc.

There is a time and place for it.

You can rag on any car, but honestly I did not think that BaT had gotten so over-the-top, out-of-control, with no comments even based on any reality (or even an alternate one). Two guys were dinging G-bodies with "bad CIS" on a Carrera (it did not even come with CIS) and "bad exhaust guides" on SCs - which never, ever had them to my knowledge.

So BaT makes a serious killing with 911 aircooled cars. Other people are able to insult, berate, and otherwise shred a car with little to no specialized knowledge, with no experience, with no insight or otherwise. They are not banned.

Sellers need to take it and be thick-skinned.

BaT is moving so far past any OBJECTIVE CRITICISM that the whole entire BaT community is emotional, sentimental with experiences linked so much so to personal preference that's it's one trans-continental snow job.

I have one thing to say to you. Good luck. And enjoy your Porsche self.

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I could definitely find a better way to spend 6 figures on an old car.

https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale-dealer/1145395-1990-c4-targa-silver-silk-grey-very-rare-options-88-000-miles.html

I'm a Targa guy like Matt. Love Targas. Would take a Targa over a coupe. I'm that guy.

This 964 is a little too Vader-Imperial Tie Fighter for me. Although I do like the wheels. For some reason they look OK on a 964.

[NYNick]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

I'm a Targa guy like Matt. Love Targas. Would take a Targa over a coupe. I'm that guy.

This 964 is a little too Vader-Imperial Tie Fighter for me. Although I do like the wheels. For some reason they look OK on a 964.

Different strokes. I hate Targas, love cabs, maybe even more than coupes.

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by NYNick

Different strokes. I hate Targas, love cabs, maybe even more than coupes.

Wow. I am a cab guy - but for one year only. I have had this strong desire to own an '83. Would like the first year. I think they are big-time sleepers.

[Macroni]

I have two Porsche's a 86 Coupe and a 2019 PDK Cabriolet.

The PDK Cabriolet is a perfect all-around driver due to the excellent engineering and construction of the convertible top.

I had an 87 Cab and I could not stand how noisy it was w/ the top up.

[NYNick]

Originally Posted by Macroni

I have two Porsche's a 86 Coupe and a 2019 PDK Cabriolet.

The PDK Cabriolet is a perfect all-around driver due to the excellent engineering and construction of the convertible top.

I had an 87 Cab and I could not stand how noisy it was w/ the top up.

Without boring everyone with my car history, I've owned 4 water cooled cabs including a Turbo. I even tracked two of them at PCA DE's and many AX's.

I do not consider myself a "good" track driver. I'm way better than most people on the street, but just ok on the track. The Cabs were perfectly fine for my track talent and absolutely wonderful for the street.

There's nothing like a top down summer night.
Crap, I just realized I don't own a Cab.

[Matt Monson]

I don’t care for the air cooled cabs very much. I’m a big fan of them water cooled. If I ever buy another 15-20 year old Porsche it will be a 997 cab or a 987-981 Boxster. Nothing like a convertible. I sometimes even miss that gutless little 986 I got from Mac. With a short final drive and lsd it really woke up.

[Otter74]

I’m not sure what OP thought he was doing when he posted that on BaT. Despite his comment above to the contrary, it’s a collection of his opinions about 964s and his impression of how people felt about them at the time. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the car on sale, and I’m not surprised that it ended up getting removed.

[black_falcon]

OP gives vibes of PCA Boomers that show up to meets in their 993/997 wearing New Balance shoes with white tube socks and look down on everyone with "lesser" cars.

The 964 is an amazing 911 and the market now reflects it. Stay mad.

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by NYNick

There's nothing like a top down summer night.

Try explaining that to my hair conscience, hat averse wife.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

Wow. I am a cab guy - but for one year only. I have had this strong desire to own an '83. Would like the first year. I think they are big-time sleepers.

I feel ya, I miss my SC cab.





I also agree with you on the 964,

[matt930s]

Never understood the 911 cab hate; doesn’t happen with other marques.

[RobFrost]

Originally Posted by -Levi-

I don't blame them for banning you.

The 964 is what it is, I'm not saying you are wrong (or right for that matter) but I tend to agree with you. what I don't understand is why you would post that on an individuals for sale listing?? Clearly that is the wrong time and place for it, and as a seller I would be annoyed.





Comments like that are to be discussed at places like this, not in someones live auction.

The auction with community comments format gives buyers confidence because they can gauge sentiment of others about the car. If those comments aren't a representative sample of people's actual opinions then it's misleading to buyers. And if people hold back from telling the truth then it's not a community, because in a community people strive for fairness to all members by telling the truth.

Sent from my SM-G988B using Tapatalk

[NYNick]

Originally Posted by Macroni

Try explaining that to my hair conscience, hat averse wife.

Water cooled Cabs with the windows up and the rear windscreen are almost wind proof. Almost.

[ard]

SalParadise, I don't have much to add regarding your comments about the 964.

I did look up the technical specs because I vaguely remembered but wanted to confirm.

Tl;dr: the only distinction, in terms of engine internals of the 964RS vs. the standard Carrera 2 (and 4) is that while the pistons and cylinders are exactly the same, they were weight matched to a tighter weight tolerance across all 6. I don't even know if you would call that "blue printing" in 'muerican engine building parlance. Anyway I concur with your point that the "RS" in 964RS is mostly hype that has been amplified by BAT.

[ard]

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by ard

I concur with your point that the "RS" in 964RS is mostly hype that has been amplified by BAT.

I was under the impression that the 964RS was lighter and geared differently also.
I vaguely remember being told about "Swiss" gearing. I might be mistaken, and this only was referred to as in the US Cup Cars.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Macroni

I was under the impression that the 964RS was lighter and geared differently also.
I vaguely remember being told about "Swiss" gearing. I might be mistaken, and this only was referred to as in the US Cup Cars.

The gearing is different. I don’t really consider it superior though. It’s kind of funky, to be honest.

[NYNick]

To me it smelled awfully close to the Carrera Clubsport before it, where they charged more for less. Let's remember they were struggling in the marketplace.

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by black_falcon

OP gives vibes of PCA Boomers that show up to meets in their 993/997 wearing New Balance shoes with white tube socks and look down on everyone with "lesser" cars.

The 964 is an amazing 911 and the market now reflects it. Stay mad.

Here's the word coming from a guy who wears a Nickleback Tour shirt and a Von Dutch hat to Cars and Coffee.

You give the impression that you're broke and prefer all of Porsche's dark horse cars (ie cheap cars) that kind of stink. 944s and Boxsters and 996's. So it would be natural for you to choose the worst 911 they ever made. Would be natural.

What you remind me is of is a poseur who really can't play in a man's game. Someone who likes to post half-baked opinions about things that they don't even know about and grab on to some idea whether or not it's based in reality and run with it. Someone who likes to follow the latest trends.

But then again, I wouldn't know. I've never attended a meet. I'm not even close to being a Boomer.

Stay cheap my friend, stay cheap.