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When Did Backdated 3.2s Become Worth Over $100k?!?

Usually, there's an addage that goes something like "it would cost you more to build it yourself", but I think I could build this car out of my 912 for less than this. Am I missing something?

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My "research" seems to tell me one can buy a 3.2 for around $20k and have it backdated for $10k - $30k, depending on "realistic-ness" of the backdate. Does that still hold true? Even if my backdate estimates are way off, no way it takes $100k to build one...right?

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Unfortunately it is easy to spend and quite frankly overspend on these type of projects. I know of at least 4 RS, RSR, ST, or just regular hotrod builds that were over $100,000. Of couse that does not mean they will sell for that.......
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I wonder where that spending comes in...starting with a bad car? ...trying to make it "authentic"?

I suppose when you break down each component (engine, tranny, suspension) and if you have to "fix" everything, it could get there. But still, if you start with a decent car, I just don't see the money. My own naivete, perhaps...
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The fact that they started with a 5000-mile Carrera (!?!?!) as the basis, then went all the way to this replica with it...

But my idea is that even if those miles are accurate, this is a very nice '89 Carrera. Worth MAYBE $45k. More like mid-thirties.
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Hard to call it a backdate with the wrong mirrors and rocker covers.
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The fact that they started with a 5000-mile Carrera (!?!?!) as the basis, then went all the way to this replica with it....
Wow, I guess I skipped over that. Rediculous, especially if you're going to build a 3.4 motor anyway...start with something cheaper dudes.

I agree, I can see this as a $30k - $50k car, but regardless it appears to be money flushed down the toity. I wonder if it will ever sell (for even close to that amount)?
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The fact that they started with a 5000-mile Carrera (!?!?!) as the basis, then went all the way to this replica with it...

But my idea is that even if those miles are accurate, this is a very nice '89 Carrera. Worth MAYBE $45k. More like mid-thirties.
Tragic - they took what appeared to be a mint '89 Carrera (a highly sought after machine in an of itself) repainted it (there goes the original paint), and totally rebuilt it to a Franken 911 of sorts. A mint '89 Carrera coupe with 5,000 miles has to be worth near $50k, it's not like they are making any more of these classics...

With all the high mile SC's & Carreras out there with good bodies, why the heck did they "kill" a nice, original low mile '89 (last year of the classic chassis no less) Carrera!!
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Hard to call it a backdate with the wrong mirrors and rocker covers.
and the black trim, door handles, painted rear bumper stops, black headlight rings...
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Its all about the quality of the parts and the work. You can easy get into 100k or more on a backdate. In Europe there is now a pretty good market for them. Check this link and the prices of their backdates with some of the crazy options, they have a used one just sold the USD equal of 130k.

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I would be very surprized if the car at Autosports doesn't break 100k with the quality of parts on it.

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Tragic...

With all the high mile SC's & Carreras out there with good bodies, why the heck did they "kill" a nice, original low mile '89 (last year of the classic chassis no less) Carrera!!
Agreed. I'm a big fan of "it's your car, do what you want", but really...poor choice on this one. I'd guess somebody had more money than brains here.

Regarding the PS cars...if I recall, they're priced high because they truly go through everything. Or at least that's an option. So, essentially, with them you're getting a brand new car. I think Autofarm does the same thing. And I suppose the car we're talking about follows those lines. But I still don't get it.

Used to be the biggest reason for backdating was it was cheaper than putting later mechanicals into an original longhood. This is even more true now that longhoods are shooting up in price. Kinda strange to me to see them listed as premium cars. Scary, too...considering I still want to do this someday. But if prices keep going up, I may have missed my window of opportunity.
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I think most of us know by now that the cost will vary from build to build based on the car used and what goes it. Although you can still do a backdate reasonably.

The hardest thing to address will be the front fenders & hood and which direction you want to go on these (new or used, steel or glass). As you well know, cutting and welding will be involved on the front closing panel.

The rest will depend on how far you want to go in backdating the car for the look you desire and how much of the work you are capable of doing yourself.

Another thing you might want to consider is color. In doing a conversion it may be harder to match or blend the new panels if the car is metallic. So in my opinion you may be better to start with a car that needs a paint job.
-you may be able to buy it cheaper..
- And since its needs paint anyway, you may not feel as bad changing the color etc..

So I guess you get the point...

Regarding the car in the link.. I see why its so expensive.
- Its done to a very high standard, as all cars that come out of Autosport
- It's on a low mile last year Carrera with a full color change
-All the conversion panels are new from Porsche
- It has a 3.4 engine with TWM throttle boddies & Motec

Add labor and stir vigorously! Uhhh, need there be anymore said?
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Oh, and I do agree..
-my point is that yes, they can be built for far less than that..

That being said, this car has some big dollar pieces on it, they can ask whatever they want, will they get it.. I guess we'll see. Now that should be interesting!
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Well this listing ended with no sale, and it's not the first time. I wish there was a way, if/when this ever sells, we could find out for how much.
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Well this listing ended with no sale, and it's not the first time. I wish there was a way, if/when this ever sells, we could find out for how much.
When a car is listed $50 to $75K over it's actaul value, you won't see realistic bid values anyway.
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Oh, and I do agree..
-my point is that yes, they can be built for far less than that..

That being said, this car has some big dollar pieces on it, they can ask whatever they want, will they get it.. I guess we'll see. Now that should be interesting!
It only takes one person... so I've quit second-guessing prices. I sold my backdated 3.2 for $15K and actually made money on it, so yeah, you can backdate inexpensively. Unfortunately, it's no longer possible to buy a 3.2 under $10K as I did.
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