WTB v8 or wrx 911

[pjku79]

I am new, so sorry for the double post. I just learned that you can't reply to posts in the for sale thread. I am looking for a subie or v8 911. Please let me know if you know of one.

EDIT: Please do not comment just to say its a bad idea. Comment only if you know of one that is available.

[christiandk]

Market is flooded with cheap and pristine V8 911s!

There are probably a lot of dealers watching this forum who would love to sell you one of these fantastic cars.

Please post pictures of the car you end up buying.

Good luck!

[pjku79]

Yea I know. That is exactly what I am looking for. I missed one that was for sale in Dallas by 2 hours last week and was quite annoyed. If anyone knows of one, let me know.

[johnvan8]

Here's 1 in So Cal:
1976 PORSCHE 911 V8

[RacerX1166]

Is this guy PML's alter ego or what?

[COLB]

Originally Posted by RacerX1166

Is this guy PML's alter ego or what?

It's not my cup of tea, but at least he knows what he wants and appears to be serious about buying a Porsche...albeit a bastardized one.

As long as he doesn't troll on about how SBCs are superior to air-cooled sixes, well, to each his own.

By the way, in the writeup for that car, the seller claims 450hp, and that "This car will go 0 to 60 in around 3.5 seconds. It will be one of the fastest sport cars you can buy for under $100,000. Its power to weight ratio will be perfect."

I bet the rear end goes from 0 to 180 in 0.5 seconds, and from street to ditch shortly thereafter. Adding 150+lbs to rear axle can't help wight distribution much....

[Matt Monson]

An LS1 weighs just a tick under 400 lbs. a 3.2 Carrera engine weighs 485lbs. I don't see where the extra weight comes from. And the radiator adds weight in the nose, improving the balance of the car.

[johnvan8]

Didn't Porsche themselves add lead weights to the front of very early 911s in an effort to balance the car out?I remember I read that somewhere...

[PushingMyLuck]

Originally Posted by SilberUrS6

But NOBODY, EVER cross-shops the two. Because to do so would be stupid. And the comparison is also silly, because nobody cross-shops these cars..

Wrong yet again.

[Matt Monson]

Are you even old enough to drive?

[COLB]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

An LS1 weighs just a tick under 400 lbs. a 3.2 Carrera engine weighs 485lbs. I don't see where the extra weight comes from. And the radiator adds weight in the nose, improving the balance of the car.

That's not a LS1. It's a four bolt main Chevy iron block with iron heads, and it is closer to 550-600 lbs depending on the stuff hanging on it. I grant the radiator is in the front. But it is a 76 chassis, and that was a lighter car with narrower tires.

Maybe the weight difference is not as much as I thought, but I'd still question the suspension geometry on a build like this.

And for the troll, wanting a 're-engined car is not the same thing as cross shopping a wrx. One strange preference doesn't prove your silly point.

[Matt Monson]

I confess I didn't read the description and just picked the most common engine Renegade was using until a few years ago.
But how much weight does the turbo, intercooler and all the plumbing add to a 930? I bet it is close to that V8's weight.

[COLB]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I confess I didn't read the description and just picked the most common engine Renegade was using until a few years ago.
But how much weight does the turbo, intercooler and all the plumbing add to a 930? I bet it is close to that V8's weight.

Not sure.

But they also have flares and big ass tires to control it. I never drove one, but 930s have a reputation for being difficult to control when the boost kicks in.

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by COLB

That's not a LS1. It's a four bolt main Chevy iron block with iron heads, and it is closer to 550-600 lbs depending on the stuff hanging on it. I grant the radiator is in the front. But it is a 76 chassis, and that was a lighter car with narrower tires.

Maybe the weight difference is not as much as I thought, but I'd still question the suspension geometry on a build like this.

And for the troll, wanting a 're-engined car is not the same thing as cross shopping a wrx. One strange preference doesn't prove your silly point.

Is the doofus still banging his spoon on the high chair?

Blocking him was the best thing I ever did. 2nd best: blocking wwest.

Nobody is cross-shoppiong WRXs and 911s. Nobody at all. And strange 911 engine hybrids? That's not cross-shopping, LOL. That's just Dr. Frankenstein in action.

But hey, I have seen some unusual engine swaps before, and a SBC into a 911 is fairly tame, IMO.

[pjku79]

Come on guys, lets get back on topic.

[pjku79]

Originally Posted by johnvan8

Here's 1 in So Cal:
1976 PORSCHE 911 V8

Looks like a nice car. I think the guy is pumping up his own ego though. These cars were never made to go straight.

The price seems a little high to me, based off what I have been able to find on the web from past sales.

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by pjku79

Looks like a nice car. I think the guy is pumping up his own ego though. These cars were never made to go straight.

The price seems a little high to me, based off what I have been able to find on the web from past sales.

....a nice car!? Looks like a piece of crap to me. Maybe I need glasses

[pjku79]

OK, I'll be honest. I have never owned a 911. That's why I am here. I would love to have a nice one with a flat six, but its just not in my budget right now. I want one running and in good shape. I don't need another garage queen. I already have a 69 firebird in pieces. A v8 conversion to some is a demonized Porsche, but to me its a way to get a nice car for a great deal (because you all think its demonized). I am pretty handy, so I wouldn't put it passed myself to change the engine back or to a newer 911 engine once I get my firebird done.

[COLB]

Originally Posted by pjku79

OK, I'll be honest. I have never owned a 911. That's why I am here. I would love to have a nice one with a flat six, but its just not in my budget right now. I want one running and in good shape. I don't need another garage queen. I already have a 69 firebird in pieces. A v8 conversion to some is a demonized Porsche, but to me its a way to get a nice car for a great deal (because you all think its demonized). I am pretty handy, so I wouldn't put it passed myself to change the engine back or to a newer 911 engine once I get my firebird done.

I think you are looking at false economy here. I would imagine that the costs associated with these conversions are highly unpredictable -- it is very difficult to know if the engineering is solid, or if the seller is fobbing his unworkable, botched project onto someone else.

You might get a cheaper car outright, but at $25k the one you listed is NOT cheaper than a quality SC with an original motor. Not perfect, but much better condition than that one.

Good conversions do exist. A lot of times professional engineers do this sort of thing just to prove that it can be done -- and will spend tons of money to prove it. But they usually want to recoup as much of that investment as possible. If a conversion is done to an extremely high (reliable and safe) standard, they probably want a premium for the car -- not a discount.

An amateur, shoe-horned job might be cheap upfront, but very costly in the long term, and impossible to return to stock at anything approaching cost effectiveness.

Good luck with your search. If you are committed, I would definitely ensure that any conversion you buy is fully operable, roadworthy, currently registered, and can pass your local safety and environmental laws.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by COLB

I think you are looking at false economy here. I would imagine that the costs associated with these conversions are highly unpredictable -- it is very difficult to know if the engineering is solid, or if the seller is fobbing his unworkable, botched project onto someone else.

You might get a cheaper car outright, but at $25k the one you listed is NOT cheaper than a quality SC with an original motor. Not perfect, but much better condition than that one.

That's my thinking on the subject. When I went and looked more closely at the ad it sounds to me like this guy built his own longblock off of stuff he had around. Maybe he's a good home mechanic. Maybe he's a hack.

I would take a car Renegade built in house with a GM crate engine over someone's home install and build any day of the week. I think that swapped SC is a $15k car, on a good day.