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Originally Posted by CRH911S
No doubt stated by an idiot with absolutely no knowledge of bears. Perhaps next time the stupid jogger, or as in the case in Anchorage last summer a stupid mountain biker, might want to consider someplace other than a salmon producing stream in the late evening sun.
A bear that size is near the end of his life cycle and a threat to no one. Is a frontal of the skull available?
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I don't think it always matters where you are. Danimal posted linked cases as extreme as a bear taking an infant off the front porch of her home and killing her. (page 3).
A large wild animal is a huge threat to anyone that
it feels like killing. Armed or no. Danimal even posted a case where an armed hiker fired 2 rounds with a rifle scoring at least one hit, and was still eaten.
When a bear or cat or any other big wild animal wants you dead, you better be armed and a damn fine shot with a cool head, or you're most likely totally fked.
As far as that "stupid biker", that was an American minding his own damn business and enjoying the countryside and parks that his tax dollars paid for. This is the United States of America(ns), not the United States of Bears. He should have been more alert, but this was a perfectly innocent man. If it had been another human that had killed him in the same circumstances, we would rightfully call him a monster.
I hope that bear was found and put down like the murderer that it was.
Besides, how much did Grizzly man's knowledge of bears help him?
What made the biker truly stupid was that he was "near a salmon stream in the late evening sun" in bear country......unarmed. That's just plain stupid.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins
virtually all of it driven by man's ego and competitiveness.
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What isn't Jeff? Isn't the central focus of this board about racing and performance machines made to stoke man's ego and competitive spirit?
Aint that kind of what drives our entire species to excel? Isn't it, you know, what defines us?
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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins
The most popular caliber in Alaska today? The lowly .223. Inuits kill polar bears and seals with them with monotonous ease. They are hunters. That pipsqueak little .223, or the old .30-30, are a damn sight better than what their forefathers used in the same pursuit.
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.223 cal is illegal to even hunt large game with in most states.
How you gonna knock the hunter for using
legal calibers with "overkill" potential to add a safety margin in a charge or to prevent excessive suffering by scoring a quick clean kill?
Lame Jeff. Quite lame.
I know a guy that hunts whitetails with a .22LR at night, shoots them right in the eye using a street lamps reflection(he does not self illuminate them ever). is this guy a "real hunter" (the man has killed hundreds of deer), or a filthy poacher?
You tell me.
I knew another fellow that owns a bar in upstate Pa, an old timer (probably dead now), who had a Black bear head over the bar. He shot it something like 11 times with a .30-30 in a charge situation. After examination he said he felt like most of the hits were clean killing shots. This guy was a looooong time hunter. He went out and bought a .300 Weatherby magnum after that IIRC.
I'm sorry but IMO a .30-30 is inadequate for killing large Grizzlies if things don't go according to plan. Considering that Murphy is a hunter, it's wise to plan for the unexpected. I would not even use a .30-06, and i think very, very few "experts" would recommend anything that small either.
Sure old old old time hunters used weaker weapons. Old old old time hunters also got killed and mauled more often too.
Something to consider.
Seriously, IMO, the desire to use too little weapon to prove your hunting skill(to yourself or anyone else) is IMO
far more ego based than using too much. And far less humane- and obviously far less safe.