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Q1: How expensive are they to maintain?
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The best way to compare how much more you may spend on maintaining a 964 verses a 3.2 is to go on our host's site and do a price comparison between major components. Price a set of brakes, shocks/struts, clutch package, air conditioning compressor, etc. for a 3.2 car and then do the same for a 964. Labor costs will go up slightly for a 964 depending on the repair, but not always.
Also, keep in mind that the 964 is more complex and has more 'stuff' that can break like ventilation controls that are more expensive, etc. I would think on average you may spend $500 to $1000 more per year on maintenance over a long span of time. Again, these cars are so old that if you buy a dog 964 for $15k, you'll spend tons more on maintenance than you would if you bought a mint 1978 911SC for $15k.
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Originally Posted by SouthCoastPhil
Q2: Pricing. I keep seeing notes (here and elsewhere) that 1992-94 C2 can be had for high teens, but I am not seeing that, other than in very high-mileage cars. $20 to $30 seems more like it (stock to extensive suspension/exhaust/brakes work on a 1993 66k-mile car owned by a PCA DE Tech & Instructor).
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I would suspect that any decent 964 is still going to be $20k. Two months ago, I was quoted $22k for my concours condition 964 from a dealer. They also told me that they would most like mark up my car enough to sell it at $24,000. Again, this is a pretty nice car that needs nothing with 34,000 miles. The market that I live in is small, so this dealer may be able to get slightly more than what another dealer in a large market might get, but this particular dealer is pretty good at pricing their product to move at competitive pricing.
I would think you could pick up a decent 50,000 to 80,000 mile 964 in very good condition for $18-20k. You'd expect for that price to get car with no major issues and a decent history. Yeah, everyone says that you can buy these cars for $12-15k, but I bet these cars all have issues that are expensive enough to make right. If the car is solid, it's worth paying a bit more for it right up front. I do think that owners with nice cars know they have nice cars and price accordingly. On the flip side, with the economy causing people enough pain, you might be able to find a nice car from an owner that needs (not wants) to part with their car at a below market price.
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I have looked at Tim Holt's site. Gorgeous cars, but pricey.
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The premium you are paying for Holt's cars usually pay off in the long run with getting a nicer car right up front. I've heard many good things about Holt's cars over the years and I'm sure he puts pretty good stuff on his lot and either doesn't buy or doesn't sell dogs.
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Originally Posted by SouthCoastPhil
Sloan is waaaayyyy out of budget, even if I did want an unborn, virgin, time-capsule car.
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Sloan cars are really just for the collector. That's the last place I would look for a daily driver or track candidate. However, if I wanted a cherry car that is good for concours, that's the first place I'd start (other than first starting with beefing up my savings account to afford the premium).
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Shipping of course will have to be figured into the total cost. (I saw a car in WY that I loved, but the $1,500 shipping from Denver and all of the airfare costs don't make it financially compelling.)
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Shipping rates from Intercity have REALLY come down in price. I bet you can ship for $1000 now.
The available 964's in good condition are probably relatively slim. Start saving money for shipping costs in order to widen your search area. You can buy sight unseen IF you know what you are looking for, get really good quality pics of the correct areas, trust the seller and, most importantly, get a decent PPI from a shop that you can trust. Many members here can help recommend a PPI shop in a particular location.
Finally, don't skip the 1989, 1990, and 1991 964's. Some of these cars have all the proper updates and can be very, very reliable. There is no difference between the years cosmetically (other than rims and mirros) and mechanically other than the LUK flywheel and cylinder to head updates, all of which can be retrofitted to the early cars.
Good luck!
Jay
08 987
90 964
84 911