[aigel]

There are open (no point by) groups in some organizations. But there, the passer is responsible to make sure he doesn't bomb another guy in the middle of a turn. Open groups are the most advanced drivers. You aren't placed in open unless you have a longer history with the organization and a very experienced driver.

I don't know which organization this was? Definitely nobody I'd want to run with. Apparently you can ride in shorts and t-shirt!???

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