LN Engineering adaptor question

[Pinarelloman]

I have just purchased the LN engineering adaptor. My question is, does the oil need to be drained prior to installation of the adaptor. The oil was changed 400km ago when the IMS bearing was replaced. I am not sure if the oil level is above the entry to the filter or not.
Hope this is not a dumb question.
Thanks.

[txhokie4life]

A small amount will come out with the filter -- but not much.

you should then be able to put the adapter on and the new filter type.

might have to top off a cup or two of oil.

m

[JMatta]

You will like the adapter and your engine will thank you for the increased measure of filtration; I've had mine since LN released it a few years back. As stated, you will loose only a small amount of oil, which you may then top up.

[Pinarelloman]

Thanks for the replies gents.

[Pinarelloman]

One more question. When bolting the adapter up tight, is there a specific torque figure required to ensure proper fitment?
Thanks again.

[turboflyer]

Originally Posted by JMatta

You will like the adapter and your engine will thank you for the increased measure of filtration; I've had mine since LN released it a few years back. As stated, you will loose only a small amount of oil, which you may then top up.

If you could explain the increased measure of filtration statement that would be interesting. Did some one tell you that? The purpose of the adaptor is for convenience if you want to run a spin on. It is also to allow you to run an additional adaptor plate for an accusump. I have the complete set up. Fact is there is more K&N filter media in the drop in cartridge than in the spin on. Additionally you will have to cut open the spin on for media inspection. No big deal. Just need to understand all the trade offs. In-fact I am going to post all the individual components for sale soon. L&N spin on adapter, L&N accusump adaptor, install tool, accusump, braided line, pressure switch and maybe even the fittings. Not trying rain on your parade but some time info gets garbled in the transmission.

[txhokie4life]

How easy would it be to move the adapter from engine to engine?
I'm working on an engine test mule and want to have an accusump
system in it.

Is the adapter a simple "spin on" where the filter was?

what size filters are you using with it?

thanks,

Mike

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by turboflyer

If you could explain the increased measure of filtration statement that would be interesting. Did some one tell you that? The purpose of the adaptor is for convenience if you want to run a spin on. It is also to allow you to run an additional adaptor plate for an accusump. I have the complete set up. Fact is there is more K&N filter media in the drop in cartridge than in the spin on. Additionally you will have to cut open the spin on for media inspection. No big deal. Just need to understand all the trade offs. In-fact I am going to post all the individual components for sale soon. L&N spin on adapter, L&N accusump adaptor, install tool, accusump, braided line, pressure switch and maybe even the fittings. Not trying rain on your parade but some time info gets garbled in the transmission.

Actually, he is correct as the Wix/NAPA Gold filter he is referring to has a media pore size diameter that is considerably smaller (21 microns) than the OEM Mahle/Mann filter cartridge media (listed at 30 microns); hence the improved filtration comment.

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by Pinarelloman

One more question. When bolting the adapter up tight, is there a specific torque figure required to ensure proper fitment?
Thanks again.

18 Foot pounds or 25 Nm......be sure to oil the o-rings before installing.

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by txhokie4life

How easy would it be to move the adapter from engine to engine?
I'm working on an engine test mule and want to have an accusump
system in it.

Is the adapter a simple "spin on" where the filter was?

what size filters are you using with it?

thanks,

Mike

Use the Wix/NAPA Gold 1081 "Shorty" filter with the LN Accusump kit adaptor for the street, but plan on changing it more frequently due to reduced capacity. On the track, the longer 1042 can be used as ground clearances is not as much an issue...............

[JMatta]

Thank you JFP...I don't make these comments up and rely on educated sources for the information, since I am not the "expert".

Your response coincides with the opinions of LN Engineering and Jake Raby, whom I consider the best sources of information on the M96.

[Steve986]

I'm not sure there is really that much of a benefit to a screw-on... filtration-wise, that is. With the original filter I can easily inspect the filter for metal, that's a real benefit to the original filter system.

Plus, It's hard for me to imagine that the Porsche engineers haven't considered these issues (IMS bearing issues not withstanding!).

Consider that we are running 9 quarts of oil, that's a lot... and not that big an engine. Also, most of us change about every 3,000 to 5,000 miles or once a year, whichever comes first. That's not asking too much of 9 quarts of oil, especially the high-end synthetics we all use. This filter thing seems like an unneeded expense to me.

Steve

[JMatta]

This filter thing seems like an unneeded expense to me.

Hope your engine doesn't end up baked, but to each their own. Every added measure of protection in my engine is worth the dime spent. Charles/LN Eng and Jake Raby didn't design and test these items because they thought they were trick or cool. The Porsche engineers were overruled by the accountants...that's why we have well thought out aftermarket components.

I change my oil once a year, which typically does not exceed 2500-3000 miles...and I don't use M1 0W40.

[txhokie4life]

In my case -- I plan for it to be 50% an engine tester -- so filtration is good here,
but will need to be street capable to log the miles.
The other 50% of the time it will be a track car -- so I can switch back and forth
on the oil filters.

I generally run only 1 or 2 weekends before oil changes in track mode depending
on whether its a DE or Race weekend.

m

[Steve986]

Hope your engine doesn't end up baked

I hope so too! I'm not too worried though. I haven't heard of any failures due to using the stock oil filter, have you? I mean, I'm just using a little logic here: nine quarts of synthetic oil in a 2.7L engine for 3,000 miles using the stock filter. Why worry?

Steve

[Steve986]

Charles/LN Eng and Jake Raby didn't design and test these items because they thought they were trick or cool. The Porsche engineers were overruled by the accountants...that's why we have well thought out aftermarket components

I have my own business. The products I produce are intended to sell... to make money. It doesn't mean the product isn't good, it just means that the motivation is profit! I've visited LN's product line many times and am familiar with Charles and Jake, they know their stuff, no doubt. That said, regardless of whether the product actually does filter better they are selling this stuff to make a profit, that's the only reason... not to keep your car nice. The fact that there are after-market products for sale is not proof that we actually need them! Don't kid yourself, if LN, or Pelican for that matter, thought they could make a lot of money selling products which at best provides minimal benefits they'll be happy to do so.

Also, I can't see how it would have been cheaper for Porsche to use their stock system, so that argument is not too persuasive. Seems like a screw-on setup would have been the cheaper way to go.

I don't meant to be snippy, please don't get me wrong. I'm just saying that I don't see the benefit of a screw-on filter over the stock. It's hard for me to believe that any benefit will ever be realized. Perhaps if we ran our oil 15,000 miles we would, but not at 3,000 miles. I just don't buy it.

Steve

[mikefocke]

Maybe the arguments for the filter adapter are:

Availability of cartridge filter
Cost of cartridge filter
Ease of replacement at any Jiffy Lube place once done
Removes fear of that plastic housing getting screwed on wrong or cracked on reinstallation
Better filter material in the spin on filters
No bypass allowing oil to escape filtration as can happen in the stock system
No need to clean out filter housing

And do these benefits outweigh the costs of the initial adapter and its installation? Too many variables for me to tell.

Is the every 3k miles I change the oil and filter guy gonna benefit? If he keeps the car for 10 years, that is 10 filters.

As one who had to go back 3 times because the local quick-oil place screwed up the filter replacement on a Honda...curiously they have never had problems with my Boxster's original cartridge.

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by Steve986

I have my own business. The products I produce are intended to sell... to make money. It doesn't mean the product isn't good, it just means that the motivation is profit! I've visited LN's product line many times and am familiar with Charles and Jake, they know their stuff, no doubt. That said, regardless of whether the product actually does filter better they are selling this stuff to make a profit, that's the only reason... not to keep your car nice. The fact that there are after-market products for sale is not proof that we actually need them! Don't kid yourself, if LN, or Pelican for that matter, thought they could make a lot of money selling products which at best provides minimal benefits they'll be happy to do so.

Also, I can't see how it would have been cheaper for Porsche to use their stock system, so that argument is not too persuasive. Seems like a screw-on setup would have been the cheaper way to go.

I don't meant to be snippy, please don't get me wrong. I'm just saying that I don't see the benefit of a screw-on filter over the stock. It's hard for me to believe that any benefit will ever be realized. Perhaps if we ran our oil 15,000 miles we would, but not at 3,000 miles. I just don't buy it.

Steve

We have seen many, if not all of the problems the OEM set up can generate:
Cracked plastic housings, ripped paper end caps that allow total oil by pass, filter media pulled away from the paper end caps, again allowing total by pass, etc.

The stock filter design is incredibly cheap to make, yet sells at retail for nearly three times what a high quality spin on sells for. Add in the 30% reduction in filter media pore diameter in the spin on filters, and you have a better made filter that cannot leak internally, without the plastic housing, and better oil filtration. Exactly where is the downside?

[Steve986]

Exactly where is the downside?

Well, I don't think there is a downside, other than the expense. I'm sure this "upgrade" is high quality and will work very well. I'm even willing to concede that it may filter the oil better. I simply question whether it's necessary when one is running nine quarts of oil and changing oil frequently.

Considering that many of us here change our oil every 3,000 to 5,000 miles if for nothing else but to inspect the filter media!

Every time I've removed and inspected my old OEM filters they look just fine... I'm not saying failures don't occur, but I'm yet to see any evidence that these filters don't hold-up and or do their job. One can make anecdotal claims all day, but that's hardly scientific. I'd like to see some hard data that shows the benefit, that these engines show less wear due to a screw-on filter system over the OEM.

If it makes you happy and you love doing this sort of stuff to your car, then by all means DO IT.

[JFP in PA]

One can make anecdotal claims all day, but that's hardly scientific. I'd like to see some hard data that shows the benefit, that these engines show less wear due to a screw-on filter system over the OEM.

Well, considering we often average about 75 to 100 oil changes a week, we open up and look at every filter, and provide used oil analysis for many of our clients at every oil change; I would hardly call my shop's opinions "anecdotal"..................