Unfortunately, the grown the f up version of Max is.... Jos.

That's sad.

I don't recall his dad being such a prick.

You say that like it's a bad thing. I think if karma were real, he would someday be made to drive for Ferrari. That way his career would take the same hopeless turn that Fernando's and Seb's both wound up taking. Ferrari are done. They are too damned Italian to win in the modern era. Passion no longer trumps technology.

No kidding. The apple did not fall far from the tree.

Did you get any sleep last night or are the celebrations ongoing?

Unfortunately, I am really not caring about any of the f1 teams. Sad. they are all the same. I miss the Ligiers, real Renaults, Ferrari's, Tyrells, Cosworth powered dreamers, bennetons, etc. Its all corporate, they all look the same, there is no innovation allowed, too many aero doodads that the casual fan could care less about, etc. No heroic drives in the rain from lesser teams with greater drivers possible. Genie is out of the bottle, I get it, just too bad. My thumb is firmly on the FF button through most of them and if I miss one, oh well.

This is big news but Jean Todt put me to sleep after about 30 secs

The is easier on the brain, even got easy to follow animations which helped me to understand it all and make sense of the changes

First impression is it should give the fans what they want of more over taking and a more leveled playing field

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk-JKrs0rrc

I'm already busy I should start working on 2022 very soon

Won's going to really like the front wing rules, he'll only need to do about one or two front wing profiles per aero update instead of the loads he has to do now

In other news, Seems like Binotto was mighty pissed off at red Bull's allegations, and threatened Horner with legal action (diffamation presumably) against the team and drivers.

Also the new Renault CEO is not an F1 Fan and now there are rumors of a renault pullout, and that was even discussed with Liberty at Austin. Would suck for Ocon and Ricciardo. Hopefully that is all BS.

And..the 2020 tire test did not go well, apparently the new tires are crap and they might stay with 2019 spec.

Me, i kinda like it when teams are hating each other...Also when there were tire wars. Or at least when tires were good enough to not have to be managed. It's sprint, not endurance.

I thought this was interesting. If Ferrari are suddenly down on power, it is not evident in the speed traps.


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Without knowing the aero settings the top speed numbers are meaningless. There are ways to estimate power output but I'd imagine Max was just talking out of his ass.

There are rumors floating around Ferrari lost big power (70 hp) after being caught cheating.

I would imagine 70 hp would drop top speed down a bunch regardless of aero.


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That's what the other teams would like you to believe. Maybe true, may not be true.

It certainly wasn't evident from the speeds they were reaching at Austin, see the numbers you posted above, so what exactly was Max observing?

Really doubt they were cheating

More like they found a loophole in the rules which was closed by a rule clarification

F1 way of blocking another team for doing something you can't do or have time to do

Red cars in his rear view mirrors?

70 hp is massive, that's 7% + over the rest..

This one is for Won, which one is you?

1st year in F1 and a you win the double, congratulations, it doesn't get much better than that :cool:

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Hmmm....seems what Ferrari were doing with their engines was metering fuel past he fuel-flow sensor at the maximum rate even when they didn't use all of it in the engine and "saving" some of the fuel. Then they could use some of the saved fuel + maximum fuel flow rate at other parts of the lap...

Thats very clever.

I would love to comment about this as its been around for at least 5yrs

A very simple solution, F1 has a knack of making the simple complicated

OK, don’t leave us hanging. What do you know about this issue?

+ Juan. :D

I see Red Bull has extended Albon's contract to 2020 . I'm sure he wants a long term deal but it's a start . I think he is a solid driver and will continue to get better .

Not F-1, but Macau, https://livestream.com/MacauGrandPrix/MacauGP2019-Global.

Amazing track. The meek need not apply.

Interesting.....

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1126051_penske-reportedly-in-talks-to-buy-mercedes-amg-formula-1-team

WOW that is a game changer if it happens .

There was any article saying that Toto stayed in Germany for this race... busy fielding offers?

Toto had announced he was skipping the last two races because the drivers and constructors championships had been wrapped up . Seemed plausible until the story that the Captain posted . I believe Toto was also quoted as saying there are no guarantees that Mercedes would be around for 2021 . Will be interesting to see how this plays out .

Penske dismisses rumors per Robin Miller interview, https://racer.com/2019/11/16/penske-dismisses-mercedes-f1-buyout-speculation.

How many times I wonder, has Grosjean started in 7th grid position in his career.
Seems like every race it's his grid spot.

Enjoy the race.

Well, Ferrari died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.

I can't believe the Ferrari's did that to each other. Unreal.

Vettle just pulls a bonehead move again and takes out his own chance of finishing. And of course his teammate.

As Glen pointed out, Vettel did it to LeClerc. It seems like Vettel is harder on passing on his teammates than other teams.

Gutted for Albon.

Yep that was a very eventful last ten laps.
I don't think that Vettel likes that his teammate is doing so well and the crowds are cheering for him, rather than Seb.

Sure made for an interesting exciting/ disappointing finish.

Cheers Richard

In hindsight, it was boneheaded for Mercedes to pit Hamilton, but they probably thought: "What the heck? We've got the WCC and and WDC. We can take a risk."

Hamilton dove on Albon because he knew he only had two laps to get the job done. He was probably hoping that he could beat Albon to the apex or that he would go wide.

Vettel-love you buddy but you are done. Ferrari, hire a Nascar guy or borrow one from Haas to explain pit strategy.

Hamilton got a 5 sec penalty, back to 7th, Sainz on podium at 3rd. That's good
I guess.

Too bad for Albon. It looked like he gave Hamilton too much room and it was just a racing incident. What a hectic race though. Max definitely deserved that. Glad to see Honda has their Mojo back.

Wasn't that long ago that Red Bull was said to be stupid/foolish/would regret switching to Honda nice to see that wasn't true . I am not a Verstappen fan but like Albon .

My complaint about this relatively entertaining race is the post race call...
There was no doubt Lewis messed up when he took Albon out. Lewis himself admitted it immediately out of the car. Yet they sent him to the podium and then drop him...

It was Sainz's first damn career podium in F1 and he got robbed of it... That sucked. Would have been great to have him and Gasly up there... Poorly played. I'm really starting to believe MacLaren's complaints about air time too, never saw Sainz in the race but for a few seconds...

Also: Lewis messes up " My fault, I apologize". Seb messes up" What was Leclerc doing?"
Not looking great for Vettel, especially after he did that exact same chop to Mark Weber too (was it turkey?) !