Nautical DUI Emphasis Patrol

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Wetwork

I've been pretty blessed. Grew up on a angus ranch founded in 1908. Graduated HS in 1989 and enlisted. Went to boot camp in Cape May NJ, then got stationed in Cleveland on the CGC Neah Bay. In a year and a half I'd been in all the Great Lakes the St. Lawrence Seaway, and the North Atlantic as far south as Nantucket. We really got around. After four years I was transferred back to Oregon to begin training to be a Surfman. With such a shortage of them I basically got to pick where I wanted to be stationed, the rest of my career.

Right after 9/11 they deployed boat crews from every station in Oregon and Washington to patrol the Sound, and provide security for Navy assets. So I spent some time up there "guarding" aircraft carriers LOL. After the USS Cole got blasted by a suicide boat, it was evident this could be a threat. So there I was running around Puget Sound trying to look tactical. We didn't have any training, the policies of engagement changed daily, and it was all basically seat of the pants, invent procedures as we go. Fun as hell. Complete, 100 percent out of the box.

This was before they started the tactical coxswain schools, which is basically dog-fighting our gun boats, and proper methods to escort high value assets through waterways. A Natural Gas Tanker would make a nice fuel air explosion right?

That high speed low drag stuff wasn't for me, sure I did the boarding's and such, we all have to, but I had no desire to transfer to the squids for BUDDs. Some of us did. I wanted a poster with a Coastie on it with the trident pin, captioned "So easy, a Coastie can do it" but my command didn't think that was funny. Those coasties that did become SEAL's..well none of us ever heard from'em again?

I just wanted to drive my tiny boat in the biggest seas and surf I could find, and rescue people in the storms the helo's can't fly in. Easy Peasy, I'm a simple man. Time flies...been a decade now since I retired. Scariest thing I do now is load bulls in the stock trailer.-WW

Very cool stories, thank you for your service.
Just so happens The Guardian is on right now would be interesting to hear your opinion on it.

[bmcuscgr94]

Originally Posted by Wetwork

I've been pretty blessed. Grew up on a angus ranch founded in 1908. Graduated HS in 1989 and enlisted. Went to boot camp in Cape May NJ, then got stationed in Cleveland on the CGC Neah Bay. In a year and a half I'd been in all the Great Lakes the St. Lawrence Seaway, and the North Atlantic as far south as Nantucket. We really got around. After four years I was transferred back to Oregon to begin training to be a Surfman. With such a shortage of them I basically got to pick where I wanted to be stationed, the rest of my career.

Right after 9/11 they deployed boat crews from every station in Oregon and Washington to patrol the Sound, and provide security for Navy assets. So I spent some time up there "guarding" aircraft carriers LOL. After the USS Cole got blasted by a suicide boat, it was evident this could be a threat. So there I was running around Puget Sound trying to look tactical. We didn't have any training, the policies of engagement changed daily, and it was all basically seat of the pants, invent procedures as we go. Fun as hell. Complete, 100 percent out of the box.

This was before they started the tactical coxswain schools, which is basically dog-fighting our gun boats, and proper methods to escort high value assets through waterways. A Natural Gas Tanker would make a nice fuel air explosion right?

That high speed low drag stuff wasn't for me, sure I did the boarding's and such, we all have to, but I had no desire to transfer to the squids for BUDDs. Some of us did. I wanted a poster with a Coastie on it with the trident pin, captioned "So easy, a Coastie can do it" but my command didn't think that was funny. Those coasties that did become SEAL's..well none of us ever heard from'em again?

I just wanted to drive my tiny boat in the biggest seas and surf I could find, and rescue people in the storms the helo's can't fly in. Easy Peasy, I'm a simple man. Time flies...been a decade now since I retired. Scariest thing I do now is load bulls in the stock trailer.-WW

44' mlb, 47' mlb and RHIBs I assume?

Do any time on one of these?

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Here in Maryland, the NRP (What We Do) and other State Agencies have wide ranging "no knock" authority on hunting blinds, deer stands, hunters in general on private property.

I only allow a few people to hunt my farm and only after they prove to me they know the law(s), which can be confusing, since I can be liable for their mistakes.

Click on the "Report a Violation" tab.

I get it, but the second time an NPR pulled up to my house after coming on my property without my permission (he didn't need it) to "investigate" folks I allowed on the farm to hunt, enough was enough.

I have a very, very hard time with this. You have guests on your property. Some fish cop thinks they might be hunting, and that gives him the legal authority to trespass? I can see where they would have the legal authority to check tree stands, blinds, and whatnot on public property, sure. I would expect that. They can absolutely check any "hunters" leaving your property, but to use the notion that someone on your property might be hunting as justification for trespassing should be patently illegal.

Originally Posted by gtc

Anyone with a pair of binoculars can easily identify the people on a lake that need to be stopped. The ones i see the most are: people who think that being on a boat allows them to get trashed and do whatever they like (dangerous to themselves and others) and people with poorly maintained and/or leaky vessels, which is bad for the environment and potentially dangerous for themselves or others if their crappy old boat loses power out in open water.

Yup, I get all that. The fact of the matter is, however, they can check anyone they damn well please, at any time, with absolutely no probable cause. Right here in America. That simply should not be.

Originally Posted by gtc

How about the DFW people that inspect your catch when you get back to the dock?

Yup, I've been on boats that have been quite thoroughly searched by overzealous fish cops. They have looked places that one could never hide a fish, all under the auspices of "game enforcement". I've seen my hunting partner's camper darn near completely disassembled at a game check station (I'm surprised they didn't demand he jack it up and drive the truck out from under it). This was with dead game clearly visible tied to the rack on the back of it, with all tags and licenses in order. Pure, unadulterated harassment. Because they can.

So, yeah, it seems most agree that this enforcement is needed, and very seldom abused. That's fine. We have all seen, however, what authorities do with authority. There is good reason we have so dramatically limited just what they can do with it. That is why it surprises me so that we still allow this level of invasion into our private space merely because we are on the water. When hunting or fishing, I can understand it a bit more. We acknowledge that we are giving up certain rights in exchange for the state granted "privilege" of hunting or fishing. I'm just not comfortable with my new found knowledge that boating apparently requires the relinquishment of our rights in a very similar fashion.

[Synchro Joe]

The Coast Guard’s primary law enforcement authority is derived from 14 USC 89 (made law in1949) which states in part, “The Coast Guard may make inquiries, examinations, inspections, searches, seizures, and arrests upon the high seas and waters over which the United States has jurisdiction, for the prevention, detection, and suppression of violations of the laws of the United States for such purposes, commissioned, warrant and petty officers may at any time go on board of any vessel subject to the jurisdiction, or to the operations of any law, of the United States, address inquiries to those on board, examine the ship’s documents and papers, and examine, inspect, and search the vessel and use all necessary force to compel compliance . . .”
If you are expecting the Courts to reverse decades of decisions finding that 14 U.S.C. 89 searches are not in conflict with the Fourth Amendment, forget about it. In today’s society where everyone is subject to mandatory searches without probable cause every time you board an airliner, enter a government building, state or federal, or major sporting event, the power of the Coast Guard to search any vessel at any time is not going to be fettered. It will take an act of Congress and that will never happen. U.S. Courts over the last 200 years have consistently validated the right of the Coast Guard to board and inspect vessels, probable cause or not.

To refuse permission for Coast Guard personnel to board may subject them to a penalty of $500. Forcibly resisting is a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison and a $10,000.00 fine. The fourth amendment has never been bestowed to boats You can refuse all you want you’re still getting boarded.

Obviously 9/11 had a huge impact, and changed the emphasis from a boating safety or vessel registration check, so much more serious areas. It is what it is unless Congress changes the laws.

[2porscheguy]

As others have stated here this is a very interesting thread. As an inland small boat operator I've been "pulled over" numerous times mostly to check fishing licences, tackle, life jackets, etc and I've never had a negative encounter BUT I've seen plenty stoopid $chitt azz boaters doing plenty of stoopid $chitt azz things so I'm glad that law enforcement is out there....yes, thank you for your service!

Here's an interesting but truly sad case of a canoe BUI conviction in Ontario:

https://nationalpost.com/news/in-a-case-that-made-canadian-legal-history-ontario-man-convicted-of-impaired-operation-of-a-canoe

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Synchro Joe

The Coast Guard’s primary law enforcement authority is derived from 14 USC 89 (made law in1949) which states in part, “The Coast Guard may make inquiries, examinations, inspections, searches, seizures, and arrests upon the high seas and waters over which the United States has jurisdiction, for the prevention, detection, and suppression of violations of the laws of the United States for such purposes, commissioned, warrant and petty officers may at any time go on board of any vessel subject to the jurisdiction, or to the operations of any law, of the United States, address inquiries to those on board, examine the ship’s documents and papers, and examine, inspect, and search the vessel and use all necessary force to compel compliance . . .”
If you are expecting the Courts to reverse decades of decisions finding that 14 U.S.C. 89 searches are not in conflict with the Fourth Amendment, forget about it. In today’s society where everyone is subject to mandatory searches without probable cause every time you board an airliner, enter a government building, state or federal, or major sporting event, the power of the Coast Guard to search any vessel at any time is not going to be fettered. It will take an act of Congress and that will never happen. U.S. Courts over the last 200 years have consistently validated the right of the Coast Guard to board and inspect vessels, probable cause or not.

To refuse permission for Coast Guard personnel to board may subject them to a penalty of $500. Forcibly resisting is a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison and a $10,000.00 fine. The fourth amendment has never been bestowed to boats You can refuse all you want you’re still getting boarded.

Obviously 9/11 had a huge impact, and changed the emphasis from a boating safety or vessel registration check, so much more serious areas. It is what it is unless Congress changes the laws.

We have already delineated between the duties and responsibilities of the Coast Guard, and the level of enforcement justified on the high seas, and that of your typical land-locked lake with recreational boaters. Please, let's stop conflating the two. I don't think there is a whole lot of drug running or human trafficking on these lakes. As such, any "national defense" justification simply falls flat.

[bmcuscgr94]

https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/state/california/article232555992.html

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by bmcuscgr94

https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/state/california/article232555992.html

That was pretty damn cool. I have to wonder, though, what "semi submersible" means. Is that as "deep" as it can go? I wish it would have continued to the point where it showed them boarding, or actually stopping the thing. That had to be pretty "interesting".

[bmcuscgr94]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

That was pretty damn cool. I have to wonder, though, what "semi submersible" means. Is that as "deep" as it can go? I wish it would have continued to the point where it showed them boarding, or actually stopping the thing. That had to be pretty "interesting".

From what I recall that's about as deep as it can go. Low enough to be hard to spot on radar.

[Racerbvd]

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