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[flipper35]

The MCAS does help some with that, but a pilot would also. The engines are forward enough they produce enough lift to increase alpha without increasing back pressure on the stick. By law this cannot happen, there has to be a linear incremental force with increasing alpha. This is what the MCAS does and it makes the stick forces feel the same as the older jets so there would be no requirement for type certification on the MAX.

Mac explains it better.

https://airfactsjournal.com/2019/03/can-boeing-trust-pilots/

[svandamme]

good luck with that.. see post above bout the pilots who failed 2 landings when their autopilot was out of commission.

or that time the faa had to issue a memo to remind operators to encourage pilots to practice actual stick flying from time to time.

this is not the kind of business to assume they will all respond well to training for such counter intuitive characteristics.

Boeing screwed the pooch
instead of designing a new modern plane.. as Airbus had done.

they tinkered with an old one well past its original design.
they did it to keep the costs down to the operators.. to avoid the new type rating training costs..

to now discard the patchwork and call it a new type rating anyway..
might as well diacard the 737max and go airbus instead.

clearly they had the better and more responsible gameplan.

Boeing should be split up.. they have become to big to be innovative
and quite frankly the name is tarnished

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[svandamme]

[flipper35]

Speaking of hand flying:

https://airfactsjournal.com/2020/09/stepping-down-in-automation-the-real-lesson-for-children-of-the-magenta-line/

What is Automation Dependency and where did this issue come from? Very likely the Boeing 757 played a major role. First put into commercial operation by Eastern Airlines in 1983, Boeing delivered 1,050 757 models between 1981 and 2004. The pilots at Eastern referred to it as the Electric Jet. It was the first commercial aircraft to have a Flight Management System and Electronic Instruments. Pilots transitioning from the DC-8, DC-9, and 727 had their hands full just getting through the training program. Many washed out and others just elected to go back to the steam gauges. A rather senior 727 captain friend of mine described his first week of training as, “I felt like a dog watching TV.”

[Tobra]

Crashed a B-25 in a field down by Stockton returning from Hawaii, does not look too bad, but is there a Partsheaven for B-25's somewhere?
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/09/21/wwii-bomber-goes-down-in-field-near-stockton/

[svandamme]

there are great presentations by Vanderburgh on youtube.
he knew how to explain things like few others can.


Not sure what 14 times top gun means in that article since Topgun is Navy and he was USAF?

[dar636]

to now discard the patchwork and call it a new type rating anyway..
might as well diacard the 737max and go airbus instead.

clearly they had the better and more responsible gameplan.

Not true, but typical opiniated statement. Here's my opinionated statement:

No one involved with that aircraft program wouldn't give anything to be able to turn back the clock and change events leading to such horrific loss of life.

I work with a couple of US airlines closely, the pilots I know have stated that the flying characteristics of the 737max make it the best flying 737 yet built.

The MCAS design, operation and training was flawed (20-20 hindsight) and as in past flawed aircraft designs regardless of the manufacturer, it would have likely been addressed through Airworthiness Directives - which is exactly what AD's exist for. An improvement affecting MCAS (AOA disagree) was slated to be issued a month after the first incident but events overtook actions and looking back at evidence as has happened during the recertification efforts has produced all the damaging details Boeing has been exposed too.

Neither event should have happened. The Lyon Air aircraft should never have been flying, having been released to service with non resolved maintenance actions and falsified records. The flight crew on the Ethiopian aircraft had all of the information necessary to disable the system and return the aircraft safely but failed to act as trained with disastrous results.

No matter how you spin it, if the pilots on either aircraft had turned off the automation and flown the aircraft, 346 people would not have perished. The same thing can happen to Airbus, and they know it.

[flipper35]

AF447 is a good example of a pilot flying the aircraft into the ground/water. No matter how good or bad the aircraft is, well trained pilots give you a much better chance of keeping things under control.

One of the reports after the two crashes reported there were 5 or so incidents in the US but the pilots dealt with it immediately. Many overseas carriers have "academies" that give the pilots a license if they can remember the checklists. They don't teach those pilots much more than basic flying skills and automation.

[tcar]

Originally Posted by flipper35

AF447 is a good example of a pilot flying the aircraft into the ground/water. No matter how good or bad the aircraft is, well trained pilots give you a much better chance of keeping things under control.

One of the reports after the two crashes reported there were 5 or so incidents in the US but the pilots dealt with it immediately. Many overseas carriers have "academies" that give the pilots a license if they can remember the checklists. They don't teach those pilots much more than basic flying skills and automation.

...and many pilots are chosen to "be pilots' based on caste, or station in life, or political connections.
...and many actually hire 'test takers' to take the pilot exams for them.

Never, ever fly third world airlines. EVER.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by flipper35

AF447 is a good example of a pilot flying the aircraft into the ground/water. No matter how good or bad the aircraft is, well trained pilots give you a much better chance of keeping things under control.

One of the reports after the two crashes reported there were 5 or so incidents in the US but the pilots dealt with it immediately. Many overseas carriers have "academies" that give the pilots a license if they can remember the checklists. They don't teach those pilots much more than basic flying skills and automation.

I doubt Western European airlines fit your overseas statement...
ME and some asian countries, yes.. It's a bit cultural problem in some countries
Not sure bout Russia, really have no idea how they do business there, but they had some very bad crashes due to automation so probably not great either.
There was that new plane demo flight with journalists on board that flew into a mountain i think near jakarta.. That was with the lead pilot for the Sukhoi



Seriously cool video.. 4 canadairs , they are almost in formation taking on water

[flipper35]

It is mostly the third world countries that have training issues.

We saw those water bombers do a demo at Airventure last year. They would pick up at the lake nearby.

[flipper35]

[rattlsnak]

With the technology today, there is no question Boeing should just bring back an updated 757 and be done with it.

[oldE]

I watched "Children of the Magenta Line " and found it fascinating. I am not a pilot and never expect to be, but I am loving those videos. Some of the acronyms and jargon are taking me some time to think out. In the end, it all makes sense.
Great talks.
Best
Les

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[Tobra]

Pretty cool Lego Heli

This is a very groovy landing

[3rd_gear_Ted]

Yet another chapter in California's private aerospace business.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/boom-supersonic-jet-set-for-2021-take-off/index.html

[KNS]

^^ Boom Supersonic is based in Denver.

[flipper35]

Ars has a pretty good write-up of the current state.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/the-supersonic-aircraft-company-boom-unveils-its-first-prototype/