Joker - Page 3

stomachmonkey · 10-18-2019, 08:34 PM

Yeah it was great in so many ways.

The art direction, shot composition, cinematography were some of the best I’ve seen in a long time.

Visually alone it was a stunning work.

That Jouquins performance outshone that was really something to behold.

The one maybe mistake was the title.

The Joker only appears in the last 10-15 minutes of the film.

This movie was not about The Joker at all, it was all about Arthur.

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Perhaps, but they could not call it "Arthur," or people would think it was about some wealthy wanker who, spoiler alert,

has an epiphany.

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Yeah it was great in so many ways.

The art direction, shot composition, cinematography were some of the best I’ve seen in a long time.

Visually alone it was a stunning work.

That Jouquins performance outshone that was really something to behold.

The one maybe mistake was the title.

The Joker only appears in the last 10-15 minutes of the film.

This movie was not about The Joker at all, it was all about Arthur.

OK, that lets me know not to bother until it is on HBO or something. I will wait until the next Batman or Marvel comic move and see some stuff get blowed up real good, and some very realistic fight scenes and action.

tabs · 05:04 PM

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Batman meets the King Of Comedy and Taxi Driver. With a good measure of V for Vendetta thrown in. Of course Deniro is in KOF and TD also.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King_of_Comedy_(film)

I can see why they are afraid this movie will set off an apocalyptic scenario...the social commentary is stunning.

Is the Joker really Donald Trump?

You have similar civil chaos going on right now in Hong Kong.

This is the story of a little guy that gets pushed around and is shuffled off and discarded by the system. Where society itself is economically deteriorating and people are getting tense under the pressure. So finally the Schmoe can't take it anymore and snaps killing his bully oppressors who happen to be swells. This causes a populist street uprising (Similar to ANTIFA) where people are mad as he11 and won't take anymore from the wealthy elites who are telling em to eat cake. .

Sound familiar...

This movie brought in 247M world wide this weekend...97M USA.. I suspect this is gong to be monster huge...It is going to resonate...

Let us see what it does second weekend...

The movie also addresses the bending of perceptions and what is unreal or fake and what is reality? At the end you really do not know, except for the bloody foot prints and the comedy of being chased.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=joker2019.htm

SIX HUNDRED NINETEEN MILLION (619) world wide in the 16 days since it release on Oct 4th 2019...

Remember this is not Gone With The WInd, Titanic, Avatar, Aliens, Star Wars...etc...escapism this is deeply disturbing emotionally. A mood piece...that takes dealing with emotionally and intellectually. This is not a fun movie..

Bill Douglas · 10-19-2019, 10:43 PM

I thought it was really funny. I love a good comedy.

Or did I misunderstand it completely.

Humans are a crazy species and I think all of us are just a few degrees away from being that person. Turns of fate or a run of bad luck can turn a lot of people into the Joker.

slow&rusty · 10-20-2019, 04:09 AM

So how many of you felt uncomfortable and started squirming in your seat when Arthur started laughing uncontrollably?

sc_rufctr · 10-20-2019, 04:17 AM

/\/\ Especially in the subway scene with the girls and the 3 Walls Street types. As soon as he started to laugh you know something bad was going to happen.

tabs · 10-20-2019, 05:53 AM

The story fits our times...where in the movie itself says stress levels are rising as nobody is polite or kind anymore. This is the story of a marginal guy who gets pushed over the edge. Which is very reflective of what happens with the perpetrators of today's mass shootings.

javadog · 10-20-2019, 05:56 AM

Hard to believe a movie like this is so popular. That does not speak well for where we are as a society, as tabs will probably continue to point out for the rest of the year.

stomachmonkey · 04:01 PM

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Hard to believe a movie like this is so popular. That does not speak well for where we are as a society, as tabs will probably continue to point out for the rest of the year.

Actually quite the opposite.

One of the lines in the movie, sums up a lot.

“The worst part of having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don’t.”

If you wonder why people go shoot up schools and shopping malls go see the movie.

The better we understood and acknowledged the subject matter the better a society we’d be.

sc_rufctr · 10-20-2019, 04:34 PM

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Hard to believe a movie like this is so popular. That does not speak well for where we are as a society, as tabs will probably continue to point out for the rest of the year.

I agree with this statement. Why is such a negative movie so popular?

stomachmonkey · 10-20-2019, 05:08 PM

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I agree with this statement. Why is such a negative movie so popular?

It's not negative.

Mental illness is the brutal reality many face.

Had an ex GF. Her sister suffered from mental illness bipolar IIRC.

Once every few months we'd have to go to the local psych ward to deal with her.

These places are not pretty. Any portrayal you've ever seen in any movie does not even come close to the reality of what they are like in real life.

GF's sister would get locked up, get medicated, eventually released to a group home which were ****holes, she'd want better, she'd get a job so she could get her own place, life would be good for a bit, social services would find out about the job and her benefits would get cut, she can no longer afford her meds and a place of her own so she'd cut back on the meds, have an "episode" and end up right back in the psych ward.

Rinse and repeat every 6 months and that was her life.

I suspect this movie is "popular" because it was done so well that the light bulb is going off for a lot of people.

It's a very raw and highly uncomfortable dose of reality that maybe people always knew existed but has never been expressed in a way that truly makes people sit up and pay attention.

Go see it.

Keep an open mind.

sc_rufctr · 10-20-2019, 05:12 PM

I've seen it. I still think it's negative... The Joker made a choice to be an evil ****.

Sure he was abused etc. but he made that choice.

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Originally Posted by javadog

Hard to believe a movie like this is so popular. That does not speak well for where we are as a society, as tabs will probably continue to point out for the rest of the year.

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Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

I agree with this statement. Why is such a negative movie so popular?

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

It's not negative.

Mental illness is the brutal reality many face.

Had an ex GF. Her sister suffered from mental illness bipolar IIRC.

Once every few months we'd have to go to the local psych ward to deal with her.

These places are not pretty. Any portrayal you've ever seen in any movie does not even come close to the reality of what they are like in real life.

GF's sister would get locked up, get medicated, eventually released to a group home which were ****holes, she'd want better, she'd get a job so she could get her own place, life would be good for a bit, social services would find out about the job and her benefits would get cut, she can no longer afford her meds and a place of her own so she'd cut back on the meds, have an "episode" and end up right back in the psych ward.

Rinse and repeat every 6 months and that was her life.

I suspect this movie is "popular" because it was done so well that the light bulb is going off for a lot of people.

It's a very raw and highly uncomfortable dose of reality that maybe people always knew existed but has never been expressed in a way that truly makes people sit up and pay attention.

Go see it.

Keep an open mind.

Agreed. Very well stated.

stomachmonkey · 10-20-2019, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

I've seen it. I still think it's negative... The Joker made a choice to be an evil ****.

Sure he was abused etc. but he made that choice.

No, the only way to be free from the burden of his mental illness was to accept and embrace it.

stomachmonkey · 10-20-2019, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

I've seen it. I still think it's negative... The Joker made a choice to be an evil ****.

Sure he was abused etc. but he made that choice.

“The worst part of having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don’t.”

They may have a problem but they are not necessarily the problem, we are.

Shaun @ Tru6 · 10-20-2019, 05:34 PM

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Hard to believe a movie like this is so popular. That does not speak well for where we are as a society, as tabs will probably continue to point out for the rest of the year.

A single movie's popularity is no more a measure of our society than Macbeth was of 17th century England. A movie is a point in time against the figurative eon of society. It's meaningless in that context.

The movie is merely a work of art that is intensely pure, unfiltered and therefore inspires emotion.

Crowbob · 10-20-2019, 06:31 PM

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“The worst part of having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don’t.”

They may have a problem but they are not necessarily the problem, we are.

Excuse me?

We, as in us, me being part of us, is the problem?

No, sir. I do not accept this.

stomachmonkey · 10-20-2019, 06:48 PM

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Excuse me?

We, as in us, me being part of us, is the problem?

No, sir. I do not accept this.

You being part of us?

Yes, you are part of us.

Us being not them.

Now that’s not to say you treat them the same as the rest of us.

If that’s the case then you are not us but by reacting to the notion that you may be us you confirm you are us.

Why?

Because you made it about you.

And there in lies the problem with “us”.

sc_rufctr · 10-20-2019, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

“The worst part of having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don’t.”

They may have a problem but they are not necessarily the problem, we are.

OK here goes...

A long time ago I worked as a registered nurse. A lady I had worked with for a few years was killed by a patient with mental health issues.
I knew the patient who did it before the incident and he had a history of violence.
She had young children and I knew her husband and when I heard about it I was devastated.

About 9 weeks after the killing I bumped into the guy that did it in an out patients facility for the criminally insane.
(He had been incarcerated since the incident. As far as I know he's still locked up.)

He looked at me and immediately said hello in a friendly manner. In his mind it was like nothing had happened.

You don't really get over something like this.