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[speeder]

Yeah, your car looks great in that shot, should have asked that woman to move.

The 7/8s really fill out the fenders on a G-body 911, like they should have been standard.

Cool car, Glen. And I don't mind the girl in the shot one bit.

Didn't know there were Porsche dealers in Oklahoma. You guys have flush toilets and everything now!

[pwd72s]

The review mentioned earlier. As he sat inside, explaining the electronic bling, it reminded me of old Smokey Unick appearing on Johnny Carson back in the smogged up gutless cars '70's. "When I lift the hood of one of today's cars, it makes me want to barf."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYLMKAIJRd8

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Sarc

.. genericness found in nearly all new cars today....

the main reason is the same as why all swimming fish look similar, and all flying birds look similar

fluid flow

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by madcorgi

Cool car, Glen. And I don't mind the girl in the shot one bit.

Didn't know there were Porsche dealers in Oklahoma. You guys have flush toilets and everything now!

Yep, we got us a Porsche dealer back in the 1960s. Flush toilets and we have very reliable electricity and never have rolling blackouts.

Actually the dealership has been pretty good. We will have the last "Motors in the Morning" at the dealership for the year this coming Saturday. They provide free coffee, and donuts, and the open up the parking lot for us to all show up and look at the cars.

The very first Porsche sold new in the USA, a 1952 356 Convertible is in Oklahoma City. It is owned by a local club member and super nice guy. He usually brings it to the dealer events. It is a car that PCNA has borrowed a few times and taken out to have the same publicity photos that the do for the new cars.

[911boost]

My local dealer seems to be getting better as well.

[Alan A]

Originally Posted by slow&rusty

There is nothing Japanese looking about the 992, I'm not even sure how the OP can even make that statement.

Personally I think the 992 is a brilliant car, we are lucky that Porsche is still invested in this model and they continue to improve it. Think about 2 years from now, a gently used one with low mileage will be a great pick-up.

The OP didn’t. His wife did. I said I didn’t like it.

How is it brilliant?
What makes it so exceptional?
Why are we lucky?

They invested because people buy them. Or are you someone that’s grateful if the salesman lets you sit in it? It’s a car not an aspirational lifestyle.
Your life almost certainly won’t change materially if you have one of these vs a 991. Or for that matter any 911.

[pwd72s]

Like the old guy looking in the mirror with the young guy inside wondering what the hell happened...

As I watched that review video it became clear. That a once lithe, lean, and lovely to look at sports car made by a small family controlled firm has evolved into a heavy and fast luxobarge overburdened with bling and electronics, produced by corporate groupthink.

Long time Porsche fans aren't the only ones able to say this. It's a global trend.

[Alan A]

Necroing this thread.
Stopped at a dealer on the way home to look at a green one. I must admit that I’m partial to green. Wasn’t thrilled in the daylight and didn’t really like the green. Have to agree with the wife - it looks Japanese imo.
Still gonna pass.

[Tervuren]

I think the reason people might say it looks Japanese, is the Japanese forced the European markets to match their quality.

Ferrari sure changed post NSX.

I haven't seen a 992 yet. I really enjoyed the 991 I got to drive.

I'd own one for an entirely different purpose than my 944's or Corvette.

The 991 took heavy traffic I normally avoid, and just made it disappear.(I took it to a NASCAR event at Charlotte Motor Speedway.)

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by Cdnone1

Well you are going to love it. It is faster, sticks better, turns in better...I get if you don't like the styling but...

In High School there was a crass expression that would sum up the evaluation of the car: 'Put a bag over its head".

[pmax]

Not seeing the hate.

It's a clean design, with fewer gashes on the rear where the decklid ends.

The straight hood with the central channel is a nice throwback.

[javadog]

Park a 992 next to a 991 and if you don’t like the 991 better, then thank God you never chose car design as a career.

A 992 may drive great but it replaces a car that drove just fine. There’s no way I’ll ever grow to like the ass end, the car has just gotten too big overall and Porsche still bats about 50% on wheel design. The wheels on that one just above are terrible.

I predict that the 992 will have more problems than the previous cars once the motors have a bunch of miles and thermal cycles on them. They will certainly be far more expensive to work on.

[GH85Carrera]

It sounds a lot like the comments when the 996 was released. Most everyone hated the 996, and many still do. It is funny however, now they are starting to be accepted as OK looking, and they are so damn cheap, they are great entry level Porsches for many.

So much of the growth is size is due to having to cram in all the required safety equipment. The airbags, traction control, ABS, backup cameras and tire pressure monitoring systems are all mandated. To integrate them into a modern "package" and then have the performance to continue to be the standard which all other high performance cars are measured against, just makes them grow.

It is one thing for sure that the Mazda MX-5 also knows as the Miata has done that is amazing. The 2019 car is just about the same weight as the early ones. It has only gone up a few hundred pounds or so. I am too lazy to dig up the exact numbers.

It would be interesting to see the weights of a 1989 911 compared to the new one. That is the era of the Miata.

[Deschodt]

Well the manual 992 will only be available on the S and 4S. In other words, the stick is now an expensive option. You want a base car ? sorry, PDK and a free braun shaver. For the 992.2 I suppose they'll introduce rollup manual windows for $10K extra maybe ? ;-)

Also not a fan of the new huge butt (looks like a cylon helmet) and somehow even the hood crease which I *should* love as a throwback doesn't work on a modern design to me. *But* I'm sure I'll get used to it. I always do. In my eyes the high watermark remains the 997.2 Sports classic (and I say that as the owner of a 991).

I see a 992 and my brain automatically goes "out of warranty, that TFT dash will cost $8000 to replace". Clearly I'm not the target market.

[GH85Carrera]

As a guy that has not bought a different car since 1995 for myself, I do not understand so much of modern cars features that most seem to just accept.

All sorts of cars now come with a GPS integrated into the car system. Upgrading while in warranty is a breeze. 10 years out, forget it. One of the local PCA members has a 996 Turbo. It is now impossible for him to even get an update for the Porsche GPS system.

When we ordered my wife's Macan, we deliberately did not want the GPS option. We got Apple Connect. As long as Apple connect works, the display from our cell phone will be put on the dash, and the GPS is always updated, and whatever app we want can work as the GPS. I bet in 20 years people will look at Apple connect and wonder what it was. Like try viewing your VHS video movies.

She will want a new car in 7 or 8 more years so it will not be our problem.

My old 85 911 can operate as long as gasoline and oil are available just as designed from the factory.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

It sounds a lot like the comments when the 996 was released. Most everyone hated the 996, and many still do. It is funny however, now they are starting to be accepted as OK looking, and they are so damn cheap, they are great entry level Porsches for many.

Appearance preferences are like noses. Everyone has got one and their all different.

That said, people will buy cheap if they can't afford what they really want. That doesn't make cheap better, its just cheap. I don't see people buying a brand new $100k car that they don't like the looks of because it has a faster lap time at the Nurburgring (unless they just want bragging rights at the country club).

It breaks my heart to say this but I think that the 911 has jumped the shark. "Form follows function" has been replaced with "distinction follows gadgets and the accounting department".

I know everyone quotes stats on power to weight ratio and lap times but, none of those get my heart racing. I'd rather have less nannies and more involvement with getting the most out of my car before I get to the track. But hey, that's just what my nose looks like.

[legion]

I don't like it. I think the Lincoln Mark-whatever grill on the back seals the deal. I think the "clean" lines are just uninteresting. It also basically has nothing in common with the racecar that happens to share the same name.

[911boost]

There is a reason I have a 997.2 RS in my garage and not a newer one.

While I don't dislike the 992, it does have a few cool features, like the door handles. I thought they were pretty trick. And before anyone says anything about how much the cost to replace, have you replaced the pot metal "trigger" door handle yet on your older 911? Last time I did it that part was expensive for what it was.

[pmax]

Vertical slats on the decklid grill break new ground.

I believe it's for improved air flow ... function over form. Makes sense to channel that air where it's needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXRr0aRW6Jg