Anyone complete a 80% lower?

[Arthropraxis]

I am going to the range Friday with guy that has built 4 80% that I know of. Just put it in the jigs and drill the holes. He is an aircraft mechanic so very meticulous. Doesn't seem too hard to be out of reach for anyone.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Eric at Pelican Parts

There actually is a record kept. We're required to keep a "bound book", or electronic version now (so much easier than keeping paperwork). Any time we receive new spoons from distributors or mfg's directly, we acquire them. When we sell, we disposition them to the other FFL's, or do the 4473. I think we have to keep the bound book until we close our doors, then it probably goes to the ATF? 4473's I think the rule is that we still have to keep them on hand for 20 years, but after that they can be legally destroyed.

We had a case a few years ago where someone bought many firearms from many stores and had them all shipped to his local FFL. He committed credit card fraud to purchase them. Police had to call the mfg's of the spoons and then each distributor/store it went through to follow the trail.

Holy smokes, Pelican sells guns??!!! Awesome!!! How come I can't find them on the website?

So, I'm still a bit fuzzy. You, as the receiving FFL, when you "acquire" a gun, that is reported to the ATF? Then when you sell it to a private party, you keep the 4473 without forwarding a copy to the ATF? So, to "trace" a gun, the ATF comes to you, the FFL of record as last having "acquired" it, and asks you for the 4473? Is that how it would go?

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Eric at Pelican Parts

There actually is a record kept. We're required to keep a "bound book", or electronic version now (so much easier than keeping paperwork). Any time we receive new spoons from distributors or mfg's directly, we acquire them. When we sell, we disposition them to the other FFL's, or do the 4473. I think we have to keep the bound book until we close our doors, then it probably goes to the ATF? 4473's I think the rule is that we still have to keep them on hand for 20 years, but after that they can be legally destroyed.

We had a case a few years ago where someone bought many firearms from many stores and had them all shipped to his local FFL. He committed credit card fraud to purchase them. Police had to call the mfg's of the spoons and then each distributor/store it went through to follow the trail.

I don't like the electronic version. I use a bound book. I could see the software being easier, but you also keep the completed 4473. so unless you're moving volume. I don't think it's worth it. Especially with the errors.
When you close shop you ship the atf your log book.

they may be delivered to your local ATF Office in order to comply with laws for surrendering records (which include all bound log books/acquisition & disposition books and computer printouts, ATF Form 4473’s, Theft/Loss Reports, Multiple Sales Reports, and Brady forms).

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

So, I'm still a bit fuzzy. You, as the receiving FFL, when you "acquire" a gun, that is reported to the ATF? Then when you sell it to a private party, you keep the 4473 without forwarding a copy to the ATF? So, to "trace" a gun, the ATF comes to you, the FFL of record as last having "acquired" it, and asks you for the 4473? Is that how it would go?

kinda. What do you mean by private party. FFL to non FFL? Face to face transfers don't go through a 4473 depending on state. ffl to ffl I just put in the lisence number into my log, and the name/address (of course the spoon details).


Even more interesting. ATF isn't allowed to imput the 4473 into a database. they have to sort through each of the paper 4473 to trace a weapon back.

[Eric at Pelican Parts]

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

I don't like the electronic version. I use a bound book. I could see the software being easier, but you also keep the completed 4473. so unless you're moving volume. I don't think it's worth it. Especially with the errors.
When you close shop you ship the atf your log book.

We've been using GunStoreMaster for the past 4 years and its been great. We've had some special requests and they've rolled out the features for us pretty quick- customers actually really like being able to do their 4473's on the ipad too. It really comes in handy for your audits as well since it tells you every single spoon and suppressor you have in inventory.

[Flat Six]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Not a single firearm of any kind in Washington state is registered to anyone. There is no mechanism in place with which to do so, no law in place under which we are compelled to do so. I believe that is the case in the vast majority of other states as well. As a matter of fact, I'm not aware of any registration requirements anywhere here in the United States.

Jeff, when I moved from WA to CA many years ago I would have been (had they not all been lost in a tragic boating accident) required to report any spoons I owned to the CA DOJ as CA would have considered me a 'Personal Firearm Importer'.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/ab991frm.pdf

Yet another reason to not live in the People's Republic

[red-beard]

[Anyone complete a 80% lower]

If you're a Cop, you have to tell me.

Not difficult. With the jig and a few HF tools, easy peasy - lemon squeezy!

Only issue, most are unfinished aluminum. You need a way to anodized or coat them.

[911boost]

Cerakote is common for that....

[gr8fl4porsche]

For finishing, I have been using Gunkote. It is an oven cured coating.

Excellent results. I’ll be coating and cooking a double barreled .410 for my son later this week. Was supposed to be a Christmas present, but may have to call it a birthday present at this point.

I may or may not have too many ar’s. So, I have been into building the 80% Glocks.
The P80’s have become my favorite pistols to shoot.

[911boost]

Buddy I built the AK with built a P80, he loves it.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Living under the Aussie gun laws I find the idea of completing your own firearm beyond amazing.

If I could I would!

The lower is peanuts.
It's not much of a firearm, it's just a box for linkage.

US law on that part is exception to the rule elsewhere, that the firearm is the bit where the bullet sits when it goes off.

Bit of a joke if you ask me.. The lower is much easier to fabricate, a lot less problematic if it's poorly made..

Rest of the world, with "real" gun laws.. the barrel and bolt/receiver will be considered the Firearm.

And it's almost impossible to make those to the level of quality needed for a semi auto and still accurate firearm..

Sure you could fab up an open bolt stengun like thing.
and you might manage to fab up something for .45 or 9mm handgun rounds that doesn't explode in your face. But it won't have decent rifling so it's just a spray gun.. not a rifle..like an AR15 would be.
That's doable the pressures are sufficiently low that you can do with a good spring and no locking mechanism..

To try and make your own semi automatic 556 rifled barrel, chamber it, and have a working semi or full auto bolt/receiver that's beyond the capabilities and equipment of most DIY enthousiasts...

[unclebilly]

^^^ Canadian gun law also considers the receiver the firearm...

[svandamme]

You could do away with the AR15's lower, get a barrel, and an upper, and build yourself a single shot precision gun... that feeds through the ejection port.

You can't build a firearm with a 100% lower and no barrel.

I rest my case.