The case for a new Porsche 914 EV

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Black968

Is Atlantic Motorsports still operating in Ayer? Bought a car from them a few years back, was a very cool shop.

Vw will be releasing 5 all electric vehicles in 2022. ID Buzz/Bus is slated for then, hopefully we get in in NA.

I have no idea, Ayer is pretty far away from me.

The bus I like a lot.

This trainwreck of a 914 interpretation not so much.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ

That thing is ugly.

I saw a Nissan Juke yesterday. That abomination is the ugliest car ever made. It is sooooo ugly it make the Pontiac Aztec look sleek and modern.

I have to disagree about that 914 concept. Just a different opinion!

[id10t]

There is an outfit in California (zelectric IIRC?) that will convert anything with the standard 200mm VW/Porsche clutch to use a Tesla drive train/battery system....

[IROC]

Having ridden in my son's Tesla a number of times, I would welcome something from Porsche to compete with the Model 3, for example (like that 914 concept).

I was skeptical before I ever sat in his car, but his Model 3 is amazing. Acceleration is astounding. Range is perfectly acceptable (300 miles or so)? Operating costs per mile are laughably low. Build all of that into something that says Porsche on it and I might be tempted to buy one.

[island911]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

A car like that could be a lot of fun. I can’t see Porsche doing it though. Porsche has an image of making up-market cars. They shouldn’t confuse people with a “people’s car.” Let VW build it.

but only for the ROW. Clearly it would have to carry the P-badge in the States.

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ

That thing is ugly.

Compared to... ? What, a 911?

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by jyl

I have been trying to talk a local Pelican into converting something into EV.

Like an Opel GT, MR2, 914, etc.

300 ftlb torque from 0 rpm in a Saab Sonnet. Sounds fun, no?

there is an EV convert Datsun in PDX - the guy drag races muscle cars and wins

[Eric Hahl]

Originally Posted by RWebb

there is an EV convert Datsun in PDX - the guy drag races muscle cars and wins

There's also an EV 914 in Portland/Vancouver area.

[Iciclehead]

Anyone notice that the Taycan weighs over 5000 pounds and has a range of about 280 miles?

Anyone else think that is a ridiculous weight and short range? Heavens, I have taken my 911 for fun drives that are more than 500 km and the friggin' Taycan could not do it without a recharge - not to be done in 10 minutes like the filling of my 911?

Take the subsidies away, let electrics stand on their own merits...if they succeed, so be it, if not.....ICE is the better option until someone builds a better mobile energy source.

Dennis

[svandamme]

EV's need to be made smaller for them to make sense.
Tesla started off with the right idea, the Roadster, then made the big behemoth S and all fanboys jumped on it like flies on a fresh turd.

All current Teslas are to big to be make sense since most are not filled with all seats taken for most of the time they drive..
Same for the Taycan.

More seats = more weight
more weight = more motors needed to perform somewhat
more weight = more batteries needed = more weight = more motors

It does not make any sense for the most common use of the vehicle for most people, which will not be a full set of seats... I dont know what would that be, 75% of the time they drive with no more then 2 people? driver and 1 pax?

The compromise is now made in favor of usability (eg passenger (room for 5) and boot capacity) and performance
at the expense of autonomy.

I'm sure there is a sweet spot , where you can get most of the usability , like 75%
And just 1 motor for acceleration that is more or less equal to a petrol car

And the weight saved in that area improves autonomy that they get more range with less batteries then they do now.

They have to get over that 4 door behemoth nonsense, till they do, the EV's are BS



The other day I saw a Tesla with Dutch number plates and 4 people in it.
in Belgium, it was a holiday week

So that tosser hogs the left lane, doign 110, to slow, an I come a zooming in his rear view mirror
He doesn't wanna go right, even when there is room
So I do go right, to show him (and to over take right if needs be ,despite not legal)

Tesla boy get's all worked up and demonstrates the glory of EV torque!
He accelerates like a bat out of hell

And yes, it does go when pushed, my 400 nm 120D is no match in that department

But 3 secs later my 400 nm catches up and we are back at the same problem...
Or rather ,not

Because he's on vacation and is barely making it to destination, hopping from supercharger to supercharger...
And I got 700 km left, 600 if i drive fast..
if he plays he'll either end up stranded... or he has to move over and hang with the trucks, doing 90..

This entire story lasted less time then it took me to write it.. he f'ed off to the truck lane after 3 minutes.

Good bye torque monster..

[dad911]

You can get that look now:





https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/cto/d/kew-gardens-1988-pontiac-fiero-custom/7052280223.html

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Paul_Heery

For discussion, this opinion piece was in the latest PCA newsletter. I'd like to see this happen.

From the article.

A 914/E obviously wouldn’t be a 911 killer, but an Elise-like 0-60 time of well under five seconds, and a range of 150 to 180 miles would seem like fairly easy marks, and would make the car more than attractive enough for most two-seater buyers, which sort of gets to the last part of the puzzle: Do two-seater buyers exist in sufficient numbers for something like this to be profitable? Beats the hell out of me.

I would like to see it happen, and have the same questions.

The rendering has promise, but needs improvement in my opinion.

The original 914 had a minimalists "form & function" thing going on, that philosophy may not translate into electric technology and has little basis for a retro-design.

However, the original 914 did dare to be different and that is something to be built upon, and not mimicked or mocked.

[island911]

Good post kach.

Originally Posted by Iciclehead

Anyone notice that the Taycan weighs over 5000 pounds and has a range of about 280 miles?

Anyone else think that is a ridiculous weight and short range? Heavens, I have taken my 911 for fun drives that are more than 500 km and the friggin' Taycan could not do it without a recharge - not to be done in 10 minutes like the filling of my 911?

Take the subsidies away, let electrics stand on their own merits...if they succeed, so be it, if not.....ICE is the better option until someone builds a better mobile energy source.

Dennis

THIS.

As is electrics are an expensive way to save money - or have the appearance of being "green."

Oh, and I like the way Porsche puts actual green paint on their electric. -green-wash complete!

[Iciclehead]

Originally Posted by svandamme

EV's need to be made smaller for them to make sense.
Tesla started off with the right idea, the Roadster, then made the big behemoth S and all fanboys jumped on it like flies on a fresh turd.

All current Teslas are to big to be make sense since most are not filled with all seats taken for most of the time they drive..
Same for the Taycan.

More seats = more weight
more weight = more motors needed to perform somewhat
more weight = more batteries needed = more weight = more motors

It does not make any sense for the most common use of the vehicle for most people, which will not be a full set of seats... I dont know what would that be, 75% of the time they drive with no more then 2 people? driver and 1 pax?

The compromise is now made in favor of usability (eg passenger (room for 5) and boot capacity) and performance
at the expense of autonomy.

I'm sure there is a sweet spot , where you can get most of the usability , like 75%
And just 1 motor for acceleration that is more or less equal to a petrol car

And the weight saved in that area improves autonomy that they get more range with less batteries then they do now.

They have to get over that 4 door behemoth nonsense, till they do, the EV's are BS



The other day I saw a Tesla with Dutch number plates and 4 people in it.
in Belgium, it was a holiday week

So that tosser hogs the left lane, doign 110, to slow, an I come a zooming in his rear view mirror
He doesn't wanna go right, even when there is room
So I do go right, to show him (and to over take right if needs be ,despite not legal)

Tesla boy get's all worked up and demonstrates the glory of EV torque!
He accelerates like a bat out of hell

And yes, it does go when pushed, my 400 nm 120D is no match in that department

But 3 secs later my 400 nm catches up and we are back at the same problem...
Or rather ,not

Because he's on vacation and is barely making it to destination, hopping from supercharger to supercharger...
And I got 700 km left, 600 if i drive fast..
if he plays he'll either end up stranded... or he has to move over and hang with the trucks, doing 90..

This entire story lasted less time then it took me to write it.. he f'ed off to the truck lane after 3 minutes.

Good bye torque monster..

I apologize for the sins of my countryman, but there is a group in NL that seem to think that their "green-ness", namely buying an EV somehow exempts them from other rules of the road.

But back to the 914 clone question....as has been said here a few times, the answer is for simpler, more basic cars that are lighter and need less of everything. I wonder, whether it be a 914 or a 911 retrobuild, whether there is a market for a good, simple car - EV, Hybrid or ICE - that just gets by on a modest engine because of its light weight?

My current 911 build located at:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/185692-fitting-6-speed-g50-89-carrera-new-post.html

...ought to come in around 1250 kg, have around 4.5 kg/hp and will go plenty fast for everything I want to put it through, and if plans go right, still offer decent fuel economy.

Why can't we just have cars more of that spec?

Dennis

[svandamme]

never apologize for other peoples defects !

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Iciclehead

Why can't we just have cars more of that spec?

Because everybody does it.
I've been building zoom zoom cars my whole life. By now it's boring and pretty much just different details on the same theme. Electric is fun and creative, with new developments every few months. I'm happy you are enjoying yet another 911 build. But given the new developments with electric cars, it's not surprising that more people aren't still doing it.

[island911]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

... But given the new developments with electric cars, ...

Just because it is new to you does not make it new developments in the world of transportation tech.

People make shtty car mods daily -there is even a website for that- where every mod is 'new.'

You want interesting?

random...



Such a Smart mod, don't you think?

it's not surprising that more people aren't yet doing it.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Because everybody does it.

You got it backwards, no manufacturer that I'm aware of does.

I've been building zoom zoom cars my whole life. By now it's boring and pretty much just different details on the same theme. Electric is fun and creative, with new developments every few months. I'm happy you are enjoying yet another 911 build. But given the new developments with electric cars, it's not surprising that more people aren't still doing it.

The electrics are chock full of electronics. A small time builder gonna mess that up especially so when shoehorning into an old 911. Fun ? Not for you or most here.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by pmax

You got it backwards, no manufacturer that I'm aware of does

I was referring to the 911 build he was talking about.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Iciclehead

I apologize for the sins of my countryman, but there is a group in NL that seem to think that their "green-ness", namely buying an EV somehow exempts them from other rules of the road.

But back to the 914 clone question....as has been said here a few times, the answer is for simpler, more basic cars that are lighter and need less of everything. I wonder, whether it be a 914 or a 911 retrobuild, whether there is a market for a good, simple car - EV, Hybrid or ICE - that just gets by on a modest engine because of its light weight?

My current 911 build located at:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/185692-fitting-6-speed-g50-89-carrera-new-post.html

...ought to come in around 1250 kg, have around 4.5 kg/hp and will go plenty fast for everything I want to put it through, and if plans go right, still offer decent fuel economy.

Dennis

Why can't we just have cars more of that spec?

too heavy and not enough gp: wt.


but back to EVs - they have tons of torque - that is a big attraction

[pmax]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

I was referring to the 911 build he was talking about.

Context.

Van damme was responding to Icicle's post questioning the race to the bottom where cars are getting heavier and less efficient.

EVs are not and will not be immune to that trend.