Disaster Preparedness Gear Source?

[drcoastline]

Originally Posted by svandamme

you are confusing me with somebody else, I never stated that.

And I already mentioned chemicals upriver in my first post bout river not being a great source for water.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/1082836-disaster-preparedness-gear-source-2.html#post11178460

No I am not confusing you with someone else. you stated this.

Because there is a working civilization... now.


"We aren't talking now, the discussion is about when SHTF.

You'll have 100 miles worth of people that can do whatever the f they want to that river and they'll be doing their survival, won't give a rats ass who needs the water downstream..."

This is where my comment and question came from, but you don't need to reply.

EDIT; My apologies, yes I did confuse part of your statement with someone else

[Seahawk]

Here is what I prepare for: Getting back to the farm.

And, no, not in an apocalyptic scenario, just normal life. In the winter I carry a duffel bag full of stuff I have learned I need to stay warm, full and hydrated. When I was commuting in to DC regularly, I had a whole ensemble of clothes to replace my suit and tie.

I also carry a bunch of other gear that is important to me: Tow straps, means of legal self defense, lights, tools, etc. BTW, have at least $300 in cash in the car, hidden.

No more than 30lbs.

I also never let the fuel gauge get below 2/3's in the winter.

If the SHTF and you live in an urban, semi-urban environment, best of luck.

For me, getting back to the farm is the key. Bug In.

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Here is what I prepare for: Getting back to the farm.

And, no, not in an apocalyptic scenario, just normal life. In the winter I carry a duffel bag full of stuff I have learned I need to stay warm, full and hydrated. When I was commuting in to DC regularly, I had a whole ensemble of clothes to replace my suit and tie.

I also carry a bunch of other gear that is important to me: Tow straps, means of legal self defense, lights, tools, etc. BTW, have at least $300 in cash in the car, hidden.

No more than 30lbs.

I also never let the fuel gauge get below 2/3's in the winter.

If the SHTF and you live in an urban, semi-urban environment, best of luck.

For me, getting back to the farm is the key. Bug In.

I have kind of the same setup. I keep a "Ruck" with supplies, flashlight, first aid, water and sleeping bag and cold weather gear. It also helps if we're shooting on location and the hours get too long, I can sleep in the truck. Many in the film industry have suffered the effects of long hours, Haskell Wexler even did a documentary "Who Needs Sleep"...
https://www.theblackandblue.com/2013/12/23/who-needs-sleep-wexler/

I also have the advantage of living on the fringe of LA County (I'm sure you remember Castaic when you lived out here Paul), I can jump on the 5 freeway in 5 minutes from my house and head north for 25 miles before I hit another town. Lots of places to "camp" when the balloon goes up.

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by rsrguy

72 hour emergency packs are a great idea, they also make awesome resources for backpacking.... It's always ready.

These are your friends for emergency vehicle packs....

Gotta find some of these!

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by VINMAN

Gotta find some of these!

Are they good for 50 years?

When I was just a "pup" in the Army, every now and then we'd get some Korea/ Vietnam era C-Rations. You even had a small pack of cigarettes included along with John Wayne and Audie Murphy bars, Chiclets, TP and a safety pin.

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

They call it tornado alley for a reason. The thing about a tornado is it is a very localized phenomenon. Most of them are just a just a few hundred feet wide or LESS. The biggest tornado ever recorded on the planet was 2.6 miles wide, and killed mostly storm chasers.

https://www.weather.gov/oun/events-20130531-elreno

It actually was mostly in a rural area, and tore up wheat fields and trees. It had winds of 295 MPH and the reason the storm chasers were killed is it went in a very unusual direction, and was moving across the ground faster than they could drive.

My real point, the vast majority of tornadoes are small, and very localized. No flying cows, no massive damage. Moore, OK has had two monster tornadoes Full on F5 with the highest wind speeds on the earth over 300 MPH. Both hit a populated area. Bad as it gets, but just a few blocks away literally blocks away was help and full civilization. It wiped many homes down to nothing left but the concrete foundation. There was nothing good about it, but it was a little tiny part of the state. I live 20 miles away or so, and my electricity never even flickered.

The weather reports at our local stations is state of the art, best in the world. The Moore tornadoes were predicted to be very real threats over a week in advance. They could predict the conditions were going to be ripe for a major circulation. We watched non stop TV coverage, no commercials, as it formed in Lawton area, and they have live video of it coming up I-44 and all three TV stations tracked it block by block on live TV.

The entire metro area rushed to bring aid and help with the damage.

So yea, a tornado is possible. I have lived in Oklahoma 43 years and I have seen just one, and it was a F2 that tore up some cars in a parking-lot 1.5 miles from our house. My wife has lived in Oklahoma all her life. She has only seen the one wall cloud that tornado formed from that hit 1.5 miles away.

Thank you for that informative post. And holy HELL I could not imagine a frikken tornado 2.6 miles freakin' wide with 300 mph winds. I would seriously move if I survived one of those.

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

minneapolis and st paul, after george floyd was murdered.

emergency services were shut down (including police), no stores open, no gas stations open etc.

Oh that's a relief. I was starting to think that you thought you're William Golding.


If the SHTF for real, I think I'm screwed. Like say, if China were to invade Alaska and we sent a nuke carrier BG to counter theirs, for example.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

the point is, that doesn't happen. "societal collapse" doesn't happen, there is always a community to build, and in that community, is safety, food, supplies, skills etc. that is why the best prep you can do for the end of society, is to be ready to make a new one: ie get to know your neighbors.

MadMax isn't real.

Your experience is a localized event that is in no way relevant to this discussion. You were never totally without public services like electricity, water, sewer, and shelter. Public protection like police and fire may not have been prompt (probably because morons think they should be defunded) but they were still there. You were probably 20 minutes from neighborhoods that were 100% not impacted by any of this. Survival.....lol.

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by rusnak

If the SHTF for real, I think I'm screwed. Like say, if China were to invade Alaska and we sent a nuke carrier BG to counter theirs, for example.

Yep. If the zombies didn't get me during the first landing, I can't help but think that wall-to-wall bleak for the rest of time wouldn't make me rethink the length of my own personal string.
Probably give up my spot in line for a young'un.
Hope I don't have to.
Hope I'm brave if it comes to that.

[ckelly78z]

Originally Posted by rusnak

If the SHTF for real, I think I'm screwed. Like say, if China were to invade Alaska and we sent a nuke carrier BG to counter theirs, for example.

If it is a nuclear event, I hope one lands in my backyard, I don't want to be one of the badly scarred (physically, emotionally, and mentally) survivors, i'm right with God !

[rsrguy]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

idk, when i talk to conservatives about it, they either try to downplay its severity as if it wasn't really that bad (in order to try to insult me), or they try to say my city was a warzone to make a political point, so i dont know. they flip flop back and forth so fast i dont know what they actually think, or "how bad it actually was"

it was what is was for me. which, was more than it was for 99.9% of the country.

what i can tell you, is that all government resources were unavailable, including police, and all businesses were shut down, for days. even weeks.

days were really interesting. in the mornings, we'd go to the rioted areas from the night before, and clean up. masked, socially distenced, we all showed up with brooms and trash bags and cleaned up. we also brought our protest signs. basically everyone had protest signs, there was no one cleaning up with pro-police signs. and then in the afternoon the aid stations would open up. without government assistance and with stores closed, hundreds of aid stations across the city opened up. those of us with trucks and gas, would collect money, and buy supplies and bring them into the city. i delivered thousands of dollars in supplies. and volunteers would stack the food shelves, and others would distribute it. i spent one afternoon helping coordinate supplies for boarding up local businesses, it was out of a local theater. the theater community was sending teams of carpenters around the city to repair and refortify businesses. theater people are very productive. this was all free of charge of course.

lots of times there would an evening protests. protests were well supported, with food, bathrooms, water, etc. again, free of charge, donated, and totally volunteer coordinated. or in the evenings is when id work from home. i remember very vividly the feeling of sitting on my deck, drinking a beer, listening to the walgreens 2 blocks south getting attacked. it was a surreal moment.

and at night, we'd prepare for the worst. we coordinated neighborhood watches, google docs with times and places, coordinate schedules. these watches were highly effective at preventing outsiders from coming into the neighborhoods and starting fires. even put many fires out that the police/fire department couldn't/wouldnt. we didnt need guns, being armed was a great way to be shot by the police. i mean, a lot of neighborhood watches were shot by the police, even unarmed, while trying to protect their own neighborhoods because the police couldn't.

its also why when folks try to characterize these times as BLM versus police, its a false conclusion. the police were utterly useless at best, if not outright dangerous to the community. they would show up hours after a building was attacked, and just start macing and beating up folks attempting to cleanup, or defend buildings. the police openly admitted to slashing tires at protests. the police were either incompetent in not understanding what was happening, or unwilling to understand what was happening.

and the national guard is not effective for the reasons people think it is. 99% of the national guard here were unarmed. they had zipties in there magwells. the national guard works not because they are an overwhelming show of force, but because they do not want to be there. the national guard look like they are wearing uniforms 2 sizes too big for them. they dont want to be there at all. on the other hand, the cops, THEY WANT TO WIN. and so they show up to win a fight, and the national guard shows up, talks to you/them, communicates, and coordinates aide. the cops show up to win a fight. and fight or not fight, they will make one. my friend she tells an interesting story where a building was on fire on her block, and people attempted to get the polices attention to send the fire department to put it out, and the cops refused to go down that block because it was "too dangerous" and the national guard showed up, 3 guys got out, unarmed, and cleared a path for the fire department. it wasn't even dangerous.

keep in mind, all this volunteer work, all this coordination, everything was done while social distancing and masked. because like how there werent any pro-police protest signs while cleaning up, there arnt anti-maskers who show up to volunteer time, money and energy to help people in need.

it was strange time. it was a defining 2 week period in my life, that i saw many things, many things i never would have otherwise seen. and i learned a lot. it changed my mind a lot, and reframed a lot of what i thought about the world. i do not recommend it to anyone.

i dont know if that answers your questions, but that was some of my experiences.

Thanks for sharing... Pretty interesting stuff... You've actually experienced it, I have not so there is that.. I will choose to value your perspective as I wasn't there to experience it.

I will however make a joke if I may.... Free of charge rioit and clean up supplies of course brought to you by big Daddddehy Sorros!

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Your experience is a localized event that is in no way relevant to this discussion. You were never totally without public services like electricity, water, sewer, and shelter. Public protection like police and fire may not have been prompt (probably because morons think they should be defunded) but they were still there. You were probably 20 minutes from neighborhoods that were 100% not impacted by any of this. Survival.....lol.

see, depending on the conservatives need in the argument at the time, either my experience was a warzone, or was nothing at all and no one should care. just depends on where in the argument we are. lol.

suffice to say i actually lived though what this thread is about. i know what i did about it, and i know how it would handle it again, and i know why Mad Max and the movies have it wrong. the fantasy of the loan, well prepped and equipped man, bringing truth and justice over the hill and the savior of all american good and innocent, is not true.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by craigster59

Are they good for 50 years?

When I was just a "pup" in the Army, every now and then we'd get some Korea/ Vietnam era C-Rations. You even had a small pack of cigarettes included along with John Wayne and Audie Murphy bars, Chiclets, TP and a safety pin.

When my dad was in the Army (stateside) during the Korean war, one day a week they had to eat surplus WWII C-Rats. He called it "pizza night"...

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by rusnak

Thank you for that informative post. And holy HELL I could not imagine a frikken tornado 2.6 miles freakin' wide with 300 mph winds. I would seriously move if I survived one of those.

How about something similar with only 80-150 mph winds, but 50-60 miles wide. That is the center of a hurricane.

As far as society breaking down, I saw the aftermath of some on St. Croix after Hurricane Hugo in 1989. Almost nothing was operating after. The only saving grace was US Federal response bringing in shiploads of food and water almost immediately.

Sustained winds reached 200 MPH over the entire island.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

idk, when i talk to conservatives about it, they either try to downplay its severity as if it wasn't really that bad (in order to try to insult me), or they try to say my city was a warzone to make a political point, so i dont know. they flip flop back and forth so fast i dont know what they actually think, or "how bad it actually was"

it was what is was for me. which, was more than it was for 99.9% of the country.

what i can tell you, is that all government resources were unavailable, including police, and all businesses were shut down, for days. even weeks.

days were really interesting. in the mornings, we'd go to the rioted areas from the night before, and clean up. masked, socially distenced, we all showed up with brooms and trash bags and cleaned up. we also brought our protest signs. basically everyone had protest signs, there was no one cleaning up with pro-police signs. and then in the afternoon the aid stations would open up. without government assistance and with stores closed, hundreds of aid stations across the city opened up. those of us with trucks and gas, would collect money, and buy supplies and bring them into the city. i delivered thousands of dollars in supplies. and volunteers would stack the food shelves, and others would distribute it. i spent one afternoon helping coordinate supplies for boarding up local businesses, it was out of a local theater. the theater community was sending teams of carpenters around the city to repair and refortify businesses. theater people are very productive. this was all free of charge of course.

lots of times there would an evening protests. protests were well supported, with food, bathrooms, water, etc. again, free of charge, donated, and totally volunteer coordinated. or in the evenings is when id work from home. i remember very vividly the feeling of sitting on my deck, drinking a beer, listening to the walgreens 2 blocks south getting attacked. it was a surreal moment.

and at night, we'd prepare for the worst. we coordinated neighborhood watches, google docs with times and places, coordinate schedules. these watches were highly effective at preventing outsiders from coming into the neighborhoods and starting fires. even put many fires out that the police/fire department couldn't/wouldnt. we didnt need guns, being armed was a great way to be shot by the police. i mean, a lot of neighborhood watches were shot by the police, even unarmed, while trying to protect their own neighborhoods because the police couldn't.

its also why when folks try to characterize these times as BLM versus police, its a false conclusion. the police were utterly useless at best, if not outright dangerous to the community. they would show up hours after a building was attacked, and just start macing and beating up folks attempting to cleanup, or defend buildings. the police openly admitted to slashing tires at protests. the police were either incompetent in not understanding what was happening, or unwilling to understand what was happening.

and the national guard is not effective for the reasons people think it is. 99% of the national guard here were unarmed. they had zipties in there magwells. the national guard works not because they are an overwhelming show of force, but because they do not want to be there. the national guard look like they are wearing uniforms 2 sizes too big for them. they dont want to be there at all. on the other hand, the cops, THEY WANT TO WIN. and so they show up to win a fight, and the national guard shows up, talks to you/them, communicates, and coordinates aide. the cops show up to win a fight. and fight or not fight, they will make one. my friend she tells an interesting story where a building was on fire on her block, and people attempted to get the polices attention to send the fire department to put it out, and the cops refused to go down that block because it was "too dangerous" and the national guard showed up, 3 guys got out, unarmed, and cleared a path for the fire department. it wasn't even dangerous.

keep in mind, all this volunteer work, all this coordination, everything was done while social distancing and masked. because like how there werent any pro-police protest signs while cleaning up, there arnt anti-maskers who show up to volunteer time, money and energy to help people in need.

it was strange time. it was a defining 2 week period in my life, that i saw many things, many things i never would have otherwise seen. and i learned a lot. it changed my mind a lot, and reframed a lot of what i thought about the world. i do not recommend it to anyone.

i dont know if that answers your questions, but that was some of my experiences.

Thanks for relating your story.

[drcoastline]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

see, depending on the conservatives need in the argument at the time, either my experience was a warzone, or was nothing at all and no one should care. just depends on where in the argument we are. lol.

suffice to say i actually lived though what this thread is about. i know what i did about it, and i know how it would handle it again, and i know why Mad Max and the movies have it wrong. the fantasy of the loan, well prepped and equipped man, bringing truth and justice over the hill and the savior of all american good and innocent, is not true.

I think at night there were areas that were a war zone. Not so much during the day and you were outside of the zone. If the whole city was a war zone or some how isolated for an extended period of time and no supplies were being trucked in. You have a different scenario.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by drcoastline

I think at night there were areas that were a war zone. Not so much during the day and you were outside of the zone. If the whole city was a war zone or some how isolated for an extended period of time and no supplies were being trucked in. You have a different scenario.

Yup. Nobody prepares for the “war zone” of cleaning up riot trash the morning after. Guess it’s a function of how good we have it that a “war zone” in America is defined as a localized riot. My friend who grew up as a Christian teenager in Beirut during the civil war would laugh in brave cockerpunk’s face. Anybody stick a gun in your face? Anybody jump you?

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by rusnak

Thank you for that informative post. And holy HELL I could not imagine a frikken tornado 2.6 miles freakin' wide with 300 mph winds. I would seriously move if I survived one of those.

That 2.6 mile wide monster did very little real damage except to the storm chasers that were killed. Very experienced professionals were killed because so many idiot lookie loos were in the way clogging the roads. It traveled across mostly open fields, and then the roads. Once again, it was warned about way ahead of time.

Unlike a hurricane, it just went away within a short time. Poof Gone.