Now I've heard everything...

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

My in-laws buy at least one cow per year from a friend’s farm in central KS and then split it with the family. So in theory I could go meet the cow that I’ll eventually eat.

I'll bet that is some tasty victuals. You're lucky that you have that available.

[arcsine]

I view the parroting of bat-****-crazy theories as a symptom of the de-centralized new and information channels. Up until 15 years ago, you received 'knowledge' from school, parents, clergy and libraries. Each of which had motivation to keep you on a generally centric path. With 'knowledge' now gleaned from the web, it takes a modicum of internal dialog to read something and ask 'Does that make sense?'. There is no longer the check/balance of those other information channels in place and it is quite difficult, often time intentionally, to measure the quality of the information you are reading. As long as you read it on the web and the website looks professional it must be true. So begins the fall into bat-****-crazy rabbit holes and regurgitation of Bill Gates is controlling our lives theories.

I am more worried about my daughter and how she will navigate this new knowledge base more than just about everything else. Mostly as it effects every part of modern life and the decisions we make.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by arcsine

I view the parroting of bat-****-crazy theories as a symptom of the de-centralized new and information channels. Up until 15 years ago, you received 'knowledge' from school, parents, clergy and libraries. Each of which had motivation to keep you on a generally centric path. With 'knowledge' now gleaned from the web, it takes a modicum of internal dialog to read something and ask 'Does that make sense?'. There is no longer the check/balance of those other information channels in place and it is quite difficult, often time intentionally, to measure the quality of the information you are reading. As long as you read it on the web and the website looks professional it must be true. So begins the fall into bat-****-crazy rabbit holes and regurgitation of Bill Gates is controlling our lives theories.

I am more worried about my daughter and how she will navigate this new knowledge base more than just about everything else. Mostly as it effects every part of modern life and the decisions we make.

Problem is, even the places you trust are playing games.
The trick is instead of trying to put out fires for others, to teach how to parse information.

Because of lawsuits, clever wording is used to lie without getting sued. Look for how things are phrased.
Critical thinking is largely absent in education, a greater focus is spent on what to think.
Get out in life, and....

[JackDidley]

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

My sister was pleading with me not to get the covid vaccine.

She explained to me that Bill Gates wants to depopulate the world and he owns all the vaccine companies, and he's got got it built into the vaccine that who ever has it dies in two years time.

Where does she get this stuff and what's more why does she believe in the most ridiculous things.



Maybe I'm a bit naïve but I thought it was 5G that would be switched on and kill us all simultaneously LOL

I just looked at this whole thread. Not one request for a pic of the sister. I am disappointed.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

Problem is, even the places you trust are playing games.
The trick is instead of trying to put out fires for others, to teach how to parse information.

Because of lawsuits, clever wording is used to lie without getting sued. Look for how things are phrased.
Critical thinking is largely absent in education, a greater focus is spent on what to think.
Get out in life, and....

Yup. And there is nothing “centric” about any of the cable news networks, or their local affiliates.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Yup. And there is nothing “centric” about any of the cable news networks, or their local affiliates.

This thread sparked a conversation with my dad, he's been on the tech side of TV starting with when he was a teenager.
I asked him when TV news became about pushing a narrative instead of journalism.

He said he's never known it not to be.
His knowledge goes back to 1960.
It is a fundamentally bad format given the disconnect that is possible between what you're told, what you're seeing, what you're hearing, and what actually happened.
However, a lot of brains can't recognize it, and because they are being presented both visual and audible ques give it a very high credibility.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

This thread sparked a conversation with my dad, he's been on the tech side of TV starting with when he was a teenager.
I asked him when TV news became about pushing a narrative instead of journalism.

He said he's never known it not to be.
His knowledge goes back to 1960.
It is a fundamentally bad format given the disconnect that is possible between what you're told, what you're seeing, what you're hearing, and what actually happened.
However, a lot of brains can't recognize it, and because they are being presented both visual and audible ques give it a very high credibility.

Perhaps, but I would argue that the 24 hour news channels have made it exponentially worse. In the old days when people watched the evening news, or even the early days of cable news channels like headline news, it was about 30 minutes of content. There simply isn’t enough time to present more than basic information on each story. There’s also not time to sensationalize every terrible event that happened in BFE to perpetuate that the sky is falling. But now with 24 hours to fill, it’s 99% opinion and spin.

[john70t]

...whenever I hear "Experts have concluded".."New studies has found that"...

[unclebilly]

Originally Posted by herr_oberst

Unless you live on a farm raising your own beef cattle, chickens and hogs, from grain you grew from seed not supplied by Monsanto, then like the rest of us, you've been eating mystery meat for a long, long time, my friend.

Ours beef is grass fed...

[island911]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Considering that the mainstream media has been lying to us for decades, I’m not sure what’s crazier. Oh wait but since they are on cable they are obviously reputable.

Everybody should weigh the risks and make their own decisions on the vaccine topic. ....

THIS

We had a few years of an actual conspiracy, promulgated by the Media Industrial Complex. --Politicians got spooks to push a narrative that the POTUS was actually a Russian stooge. --talk about crazy-town! Yet that "information" was pushed and pushed. ... and pushed. (for example)

It's as if -in this information age- that disinformation has become a sport, of sorts. A dog-wagging, tongue-in-cheek competition for the mind-warpping of viewers everywhere. From Flat Earth "Yes, it really is - here's how..." to Russian Collusion "We have the pictures; Yes; Naked Trrrump." And we have Facci "Don't wear a mask" and Facci "Wear a mask - but not the ones that work. Those are for professionals" and then, on day 365 of "we need two weeks to flatten the curve" we are told "wear 2 masks, because one mask wasn't really working."

crazy-town!

[javadog]

You know you’re being fed a bunch of lies when the narrative changes.

[unclebilly]

Did they ever find the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq or one of the Axis of Evil countries?

Who knew the real weapons of mass destruction were right here in our own back yard the entire time, piped into everyone’s homes daily via cable or the internets.

The real ‘weapon of mass destruction’ is mainstream media. The ‘improvised explosive devices’ are the crazy bloggers on YouTube, Facebook, and other grass roots media outlets.

[unclebilly]

Originally Posted by javadog

You know you’re being fed a bunch of lies when the narrative changes.

That’s one of the ‘advantages’ of digital media over printed media. You can go back and change the story, whereas printed media can’t be changed once printed and delivered.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by unclebilly

Did they ever find the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq or one of the Axis of Evil countries?

Who knew the real weapons of mass destruction were right here in our own back yard the entire time, piped into everyone’s homes daily via cable or the internets.

The real ‘weapon of mass destruction’ is mainstream media. The ‘improvised explosive devices’ are the crazy bloggers on YouTube, Facebook, and other grass roots media outlets.

If I recall correctly, they recovered more than 5000 rounds of ordinance with chemical warheads.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by unclebilly

The real ‘weapon of mass destruction’ is mainstream media. The ‘improvised explosive devices’ are the crazy bloggers on YouTube, Facebook, and other grass roots media outlets.

That is a good way to describe it.
In 2020 I did not find a single good news source.
Every single one had some sort of beef with something somewhere and any narrative related to it would be shared in a way to bring down.

It takes quite a few sources to get what is going on and a lot of effort.
It also takes accepting a lot of issues will stay in Schroedinger's box. There isn't the information to confirm one way or the other, but people want to believe.
The step of recognizing a situation of ignorance isn't in the brain capacity for a lot of people.

People run with unconfirmed conjecture and allow it to create massive impenatrable structures in thinking.
Paleontology is full of guesses that people believe without realizing how weak the process has been, or how little evidence exists(if at all.)
And as Javadog said, a clue is changing narrative.
Dinosaurs when I grew up were still drawn wth scales.
Now they are drawn with featers.
The entire accepted pose for dinosaurs has also changed.
We were guessing, and uh, we're still guessing.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by island911

THIS

We had a few years of an actual conspiracy, promulgated by the Media Industrial Complex. --Politicians got spooks to push a narrative that the POTUS was actually a Russian stooge. --talk about crazy-town! Yet that "information" was pushed and pushed. ... and pushed. (for example)

It's as if -in this information age- that disinformation has become a sport, of sorts. A dog-wagging, tongue-in-cheek competition for the mind-warpping of viewers everywhere. From Flat Earth "Yes, it really is - here's how..." to Russian Collusion "We have the pictures; Yes; Naked Trrrump." And we have Facci "Don't wear a mask" and Facci "Wear a mask - but not the ones that work. Those are for professionals" and then, on day 365 of "we need two weeks to flatten the curve" we are told "wear 2 masks, because one mask wasn't really working."

crazy-town!

Try this one on for size. I've no idea if this is confirmed or not but it is a head shaker.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bette-midler-god-sent-deadly-storm-to-texas-because-ted-cruz-challenged-election-results/ar-BB1dNxkX?ocid=msedgntp

[island911]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Try this one on for size. I've no idea if this is confirmed or not but it is a head shaker.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bette-midler-god-sent-deadly-storm-to-texas-because-ted-cruz-challenged-election-results/ar-BB1dNxkX?ocid=msedgntp

HA!

Well, she's famous, so it must be true.