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stevej37 03-25-2021 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Esel Mann (Post 11272841)
the normal male spends 99% time contemplating sex, 1% time trying to score sex. doesn't leave much spare time for other activities. ymmv.

I disagree....more like 50-50

Esel Mann 03-25-2021 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 11272873)
The question implies that you'd be shooting a bunch of innocent people.

It doesnt even need to be answered.

If you were in the middle of a home invasion robbery, then it's a bit different.

you missed the point. that is, a crazy azz question sometimes can only be followed by another even crazier question.

pmax 03-25-2021 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 11272341)
Let's not get into any politics here.

I just want to know why you personally will never in your life grab a gun and shoot someone, like the guy did in Boulder for example.

What makes you different from him or any of the other "mass shooters".

I'll start.

I was raised to differentiate good from bad.

Killing is bad.

That is the bottom line for me.

Good vs. bad.

Fairly simple.

You referring to this ?


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1616709613.jpg

rusnak 03-25-2021 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Esel Mann (Post 11272841)
can i get a sense of how many 'a bunch' is before i answer the question?
need to confirm first that a firearm is even the right tool for the job...

the normal male spends 99% time contemplating sex, 1% time trying to score sex. doesn't leave much spare time for other activities. ymmv.

Dude. I need to become your apprentice and learn your pick up lines. you've got a 99% success rate!

:::bow down:::

Shaun @ Tru6 03-25-2021 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11272786)
We aren't unique. Plenty of folks killin' folks in other countries. They just have a harder time finding guns to use to do the deed.

We are entirely unique in terms of Western civilized world. No other country even close to use culturally has, as a percentage, the same number of people who want to shoot other people and do.

So the question stands, why do so many Americans shoot other Americans vs. other countries?

Shaun @ Tru6 03-25-2021 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 11272837)
You introduce them to the Clintons! :D

I've been to Alaska. I don't see Hillary making the trip. I think whomever varmint wants dead will live to see another day, though that day might be might be night depending on time of year.

yellowline 03-25-2021 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 11273033)
So the question stands, why do so many Americans shoot other Americans vs. other countries?

A sense of entitlement.

“It’s my way or the highway.”

“This town ain’t big enough for the two of us.”

“I don’t need to drive sober/wait in line/follow the next car safely, I’m spe-shul.”

All uniquely American remarks and mindsets. Germans and Brits and the rest would wear 6 masks if their leaders said to do so. That doesn’t suit us, so we won’t do it.

Post-1980 America is a great combination of spoiled children provoking other spoiled children, who in turn think violence will solve their problems.

flatbutt 03-25-2021 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 11273033)
We are entirely unique in terms of Western civilized world. No other country even close to use culturally has, as a percentage, the same number of people who want to shoot other people and do.

So the question stands, why do so many Americans shoot other Americans vs. other countries?

Another aspect of our being unique is that there is no "American culture". Not in the way that there are Italian, English or German cultures. We are a conglomerate of many cultures, many of which exist unchanged in sub-communities i.e. Little Italy etc..

Yes "America" has a history of gun ownership but how many of us brought our own version of gun culture with us? My grandfather made sure he got hold of a "lupara" after getting here from Sicily.

As for your closing question, it may be that we don't do too well at recognizing the commonality amongst us or just don't acknowledge it at all. I'd like to hear how these shooters would describe the people they've shot.

Shaun @ Tru6 03-25-2021 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowline (Post 11273038)
A sense of entitlement.

...

Post-1980 America is a great combination of spoiled children provoking other spoiled children, who in turn think violence will solve their problems.

I think you have something there.

JavaBrewer 03-25-2021 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 11273033)
We are entirely unique in terms of Western civilized world. No other country even close to use culturally has, as a percentage, the same number of people who want to shoot other people and do.

So the question stands, why do so many Americans shoot other Americans vs. other countries?

Because we allow our population to own and carry guns. Not so difficult to answer that one.

However are you saying that America is unique in people killing others? Or are you just concerned about the tool?

OP, I want to exit this life never having killed any human. That goal would change if

- someone directly threatens me or harms my family
- someone uses force against my community/neighbors
- foreign forces invade our soil

Done.

Shaun @ Tru6 03-25-2021 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JavaBrewer (Post 11273058)
Because we allow our population to own and carry guns. Not so difficult to answer that one.

However are you saying that America is unique in people killing others? Or are you just concerned about the tool?

OP, I want to exit this life never having killed any human. That goal would change if

- someone directly threatens me or harms my family
- someone uses force against my community/neighbors
- foreign forces invade our soil

Done.

I am not convinced that it's as simple as Americans can own and carry guns. I think it's deeper than that. For a civilized Western country, we kill a lot of our own. Super quick google, Wikipedia page of murder rate by country. Imperfect data but we are in great company!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1616718713.jpg

Bob Kontak 03-25-2021 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 11272812)
Why aren't YOU going out and shooting people as we've seen in the news.

OK. Christian ethic.

But dudes that wasted people went to church as well, I betcha.

Something goes wrong, somewhere, for these poor souls.

I don't think any one of us, statistically speaking, can answer your original question. It's not fathomable for most.

Bob Kontak 03-25-2021 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 11273088)
Imperfect data but we are in great company!

Ouch

HardDrive 03-25-2021 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 11272362)
Well, it'd be very loud. Shooting guns indoors without ear protection isn't like what you see on tv or in the movies. It's unimaginably loud and smoky.


2 years ago, my father made the mistake of firing his gun with the muzzle inside his deer blind. Yeah, shooting a .308 in a space the size of a closet is bad. Permanently hurt his hearing, had to get hearing aids.

Arizona_928 03-25-2021 05:19 PM

Because it's wrong to kill innocent civilians, woman, and children. Wrong to kill people that aren't trying to kill you.
Morals.

Por_sha911 03-25-2021 05:28 PM

You asked and you deserve an answer:
I believe the Bible and owe my eternal future to him. I want to honor Him but following His rules to the best of my ability. This isn't obligation or fear of punishment but rather honoring Him because He died for me.
That is my personal answer.

brainz01 03-25-2021 05:33 PM

Real answer:
Because as a sane person, I have zero reason or desire to harm innocent people. The Peter principle is a good one.

Unfortunately, in a large population, there are going to be a few crazies. I'm thankful to not be one of them nor have any in my life... Most of these events are the acts of the mentally ill and suicidal.

PARF Answer (in green):
Because I only kill people if I have:
- "military style" weapons, preferably in black
- with "high capacity" magazines, mostly because I'm lazy and spending 3 seconds to change a 10 round mag is a real bother when dealing with unarmed victims
(end green)

HardDrive 03-25-2021 05:59 PM

My answer is simple, I would only kill another person if they were threatening me or my family. No one has done that.

Tobra 03-25-2021 08:40 PM

What keeps me from doing that? I am not crazy

flipper35 03-26-2021 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 11273088)
I am not convinced that it's as simple as Americans can own and carry guns. I think it's deeper than that. For a civilized Western country, we kill a lot of our own. Super quick google, Wikipedia page of murder rate by country. Imperfect data but we are in great company!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1616718713.jpg

Is that chart firearms related murders or murders in general?

Also, does it cover suicide bombings and "armies" that rape and murder because they can?


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