This guy was lucky

[fintstone]

As they used to say...there just ain't enough karate in the world to keep you from an ass whuppin' (when you are talking that much size/strength difference...and even worse if man/woman). Unless you have an equalizer (gun, knife, or baseball bat)...time to avoid conflict/run.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I want to see the numbers, the real numbers...numbers are not PARFy.

Like these:



Let's get the numbers in situ.

This table was created by someone using numbers from the 2018 BJS Criminal Victimization Report. I wish it had used all of the data in the original table to paint a more interesting picture, instead, it cherry picked to fuel divisiveness. Nothing new for the Hatestream Media.

We will have to wait until September 2021 to see the 2020 report, that may be very interesting to see if there is any kind of real increase in X on Asian violent incidents.

Criminal Victimization, 2018; September 2019

Here is the table the data references.






Here is the 2019 Report

Criminal Victimization, 2019; September 2020

The Percent of violent incidents, by victim and offender race, 2019 doesn't include Asians in the table as a line item, just as a part of Other (a,c) column.

[fintstone]

The graph looks pretty straight forward if you are illustrating interracial violent crime incidents (as it purprots to be/is labeled). How is it cherrypicked? What is it you are trying to show?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

I'm mostly trying to show people make poor color choices when making graphs in Excel.

[MAS956]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I want to see the numbers, the real numbers...numbers are not PARFy.

Like these:



Let's get the numbers in situ.

Where is black on black in the survey? Would a logarithmic scale have had to be used for the others to register if so?

[sc_rufctr]

I think "This guy was lucky" because there wasn't a giant Polynesian guy hanging around when this happened.

If I had to bet on it this racist AH is also a coward.

[drcoastline]

You guys saying she would lose? I am not so sure. Maybe if he had the opportunity to grab her and pull her in? But he is just a fat load, being small, fit, trained to fight and presumably fast she could very easily taken him out. In and out, a shot to his knee a kick to the face. Like a Mongoose on a Cobra. I would have loved to have seen her whoop his Azz.

[KFC911]

Methinks there are plenty of guys who can (and have) beat the crap out of another guy weighing in a hundred pounds more ... when provoked. Don't push the wrong button .

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by MAS956

Where is black on black in the survey? Would a logarithmic scale have had to be used for the others to register if so?

That data are in the actual tables from the 2018 and 2019 reports. Go to the left most Victim column, do down to Black, then go across to the Offender Black column.

[Tobra]

Violent incidents reported will leave a lot out that are unreported

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by fintstone

As they used to say...there just ain't enough karate in the world to keep you from an ass whuppin' (when you are talking that much size/strength difference...and even worse if man/woman). Unless you have an equalizer (gun, knife, or baseball bat)...time to avoid conflict/run.

or you get in that one good shot on his nose making him him tear up so you can di di the heck outa there.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

or you get in that one good shot on his nose making him him tear up so you can di di the heck outa there.

If there is no avoiding a beating...it is always good strategy to hurt your opponent badly, quickly. If there is more than one, sometimes taking out the Alpha asshat quickly makes the others rethink their position/decision to fight (bullies are often cowards). You may still take a beating...but feel better about it afterwards.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by fintstone

If there is no avoiding a beating...it is always good strategy to hurt your opponent badly, quickly. If there is more than one, sometimes taking out the Alpha asshat quickly makes the others rethink their position/decision to fight (bullies are often cowards). You may still take a beating...but feel better about it afterwards.

She did all the right things to de-escalate. If there are more videos, then perhaps I am wrong.

Well done, Sakura.

When I was the Chief Government Pilot at the Sikorsky Factory, I rented a room from a Sikorsky pilot, a former Marine 53 pilot from Korea.

His father was a slave during WWII in Japan. He came to America first and worked hard, eventually buying a gas station in the Bronx. He brought Yong and the rest of the family over when Yong was 15 to help manage the station.. Yong and his brother were both very high degree Black Belts in some martial art I can't pronounce.

Early on there were a few robberies, snatch and grabs. The Lee brothers always chased them down and, according to Yong, made sure they got the money back. He had great stories.

They earned a reputation and the robberies stopped.

I know it is a different day, that the bad folks are armed, but the calculus is the same: Either de-escalate or fight

Yong died in an accident at the factory. I called both his Mother and Father, separately, to deliver the news. Hardest day of my life.

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by drcoastline

You guys saying she would lose? I am not so sure. Maybe if he had the opportunity to grab her and pull her in? But he is just a fat load, being small, fit, trained to fight and presumably fast she could very easily taken him out. In and out, a shot to his knee a kick to the face. Like a Mongoose on a Cobra. I would have loved to have seen her whoop his Azz.

Being a Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, I'm going to have to go with my instincts. I consistently train with larger opponents and in my experience a disparity of 100 lbs is significant for two men in the ground game. Now add in the fact that one is a female and IMO its just too much to overcome. This is why weight classes were created. Size does indeed make a difference to a degree.

Also, don't assume the guys out of shape just because he's fat. We have several guys at our school who may look to be out of shape (275 lbs plus) but you'd be in for a rude awakening if you engaged them on the mats. (Think Big Country, Tank Abbott)

The odds are extremely slim she could knock him out before he grabbed her and physically overpowered her with extreme violence. She isn't trained for that type of event. She's trained for sport "points" karate. If she has no grappling experience, once its on the ground you basically have two untrained people. a 110 lb. female vs a 220 plus lb. male. With two untrained people the bigger stronger person usually wins.

Having said that, yes fights are unpredictable. Is there a chance she could knock him out with a well placed sport type kick or strike? Absolutely, but if you ran a simulation 1000 times, she would probably get destroyed and by destroyed I mean critically injured 95% of the time.

Stop believing all this TV crap... she has zero physical advantage and the disparity in size is so great she would need to be trained in all aspects of fighting: strikes, kicks, preventing a take down, being able to take down, and than know chokes and submissions on the ground. Than she would have a decent chance...and guess what that is? an MMA fighter!

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

Being a Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu...

Wow.

My son just got his Purple Belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. What an incredible skill to have. He rolls three to four times a week in Norfolk.

I boxed, still box...you people are crazy in the best way possible

[BK911]

Anybody here ever been beat up by a girl?
I will never admit that I was, twice by the same girl.
This was in 2nd grade before my nuts dropped.
She was bigger and stronger than me.
After she kicked my butt the first time, she heard that I was telling everybody that I lost because I didn't want to hit a girl.
So she came over my house and kicked my butt again.
My moms screaming.. Hit her Brian
Im yelling... Im trying!
Good times!

[fintstone]

I got in a few fights as a youngster and never had much trouble with guys my size, but really big guys were a different story. When I was about 14 and about 130lbs, an 18 year old, 260lb senior lineman used to beat me (and the rest of the JV team) up regularly. Most of my peer group considered me the best fighter in the crowd, so after I got demolished, they simply took their licks without much resistance. I thought I could at least put up a good fight and make him pay, but I could never land a punch as his reach was so long. He was 6'5 and I was probably about 5'6". I got in a fight with another senior that year who seemed less tough and did not play sports (more a pot head). He was even taller but skinny. He turned out to be a lot tougher than he looked (should have guessed as he was quite eager to pick a fight with me for no reason). I could not land a punch on him either as he also used his reach (apparently has some martial arts training as he mixed punches with kicks that pushed me back). It was a joke. I quickly learned how important reach was from those two "fights". I also learned from the first guy that the old adage that bullies would stop if you stood up to them was inaccurate. It is only accurate if you inflict some damage or they get onto a lot of trouble. That year sucked.

[Seahawk]

It is funny how, as many here have said, a fight is not a movie script.

I was always tall and only had to fight a few times because I was taught how to fight, box, protect myself and be the aggressor. I also have very fast hands, a gift for a tall man. Times have changes, tactics have changed and getting out before a fight starts is the goal now.

We, in the 60's and 70's, actually stood toe to toe. Those days are so over.

I think I have written this before but a good friend of mine was a wrestler in HS, 160lbs and very good.

I got a little over my skis one day and pro-offered at lunch that I could handle the mat.

Nope. I had my ass handed to me so many times, I am stubborn and he did not hurt me (he could have), that I understand the power of ground.

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Wow.

My son just got his Purple Belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. What an incredible skill to have. He rolls three to four times a week in Norfolk.

I boxed, still box...you people are crazy in the best way possible

Thank you and BIG congrats to your son! Purple belt is huge. Its a highly regarded belt, and where most practitioners figure out their game and start becoming dangerous.

[drcoastline]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

Being a Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, I'm going to have to go with my instincts. I consistently train with larger opponents and in my experience a disparity of 100 lbs is significant for two men in the ground game. Now add in the fact that one is a female and IMO its just too much to overcome. This is why weight classes were created. Size does indeed make a difference to a degree.

Also, don't assume the guys out of shape just because he's fat. We have several guys at our school who may look to be out of shape (275 lbs plus) but you'd be in for a rude awakening if you engaged them on the mats. (Think Big Country, Tank Abbott)

The odds are extremely slim she could knock him out before he grabbed her and physically overpowered her with extreme violence. She isn't trained for that type of event. She's trained for sport "points" karate. If she has no grappling experience, once its on the ground you basically have two untrained people. a 110 lb. female vs a 220 plus lb. male. With two untrained people the bigger stronger person usually wins.

Having said that, yes fights are unpredictable. Is there a chance she could knock him out with a well placed sport type kick or strike? Absolutely, but if you ran a simulation 1000 times, she would probably get destroyed and by destroyed I mean critically injured 95% of the time.

Stop believing all this TV crap... she has zero physical advantage and the disparity in size is so great she would need to be trained in all aspects of fighting: strikes, kicks, preventing a take down, being able to take down, and than know chokes and submissions on the ground. Than she would have a decent chance...and guess what that is? an MMA fighter!

If you read my post and understood it, rather than jump in to tell me how wrong I am, I didn't suggest she try and stand in for ten rounds and try and go blow for blow. I also said so long as he doesn't grab her. To win she doesn't need to knock him out or fight him to the death. 110lb kick to the nose could break his nose, or stun him. A shot to the ear, side of the head is plenty to stun that guy for a few seconds, and get a 110lb shot to the knee to cause a severe sprain and put him on the ground or a 110lb. kick to his balls and he will see stars, rendering him incapacitated. she could then have her way with him. She simply needs to get in a few fast shots and move away. He is not a fat guy that is in shape he's a fat guy.