Impending tsunami of evictions

[Purrybonker]

There is a fundamental perspective that creates a divide in how we view and judge each other...

Free will.

Many of us credit ourselves with our accomplishments and attributes and are trigger quick to look down upon others who, in our assessment lack the same.

Fat shame, poor shame, lazy shame. Name it shame.

Well, to keep things in context of this thread. How about the example of a wealthy person leaving a portfolio of income producing rental properties to a ne'er do well, drug abusing, debauched off-spring?

The same sort of decrepit, to all appearances "lazy, non-contributing", dude as is being harangued repeatedly in this thread.

In our culture and narrowly within this thread, said lazy butt off-spring is an example of a fine upstanding member of society, whereas his doppelganger, lacking a wealthy birthright is not.

One is implicitly virtuous, the other not.

The same principles apply to birthrights of brains, work ethic, mental illness, physical disabilities. None of us can take credit for any of the hundreds of lotteries that most of us have won.

But we do it repeatedly, in spades.

It is shameful and completely unproductive to be critical of the disadvantaged and evidence of massive hubris in crediting ourselves for being born and raised with qualities that have allowed us to be successful.

Such thinking is also self-defeating. We dislike the poor and street people - they make us feel just a little bit more crappy about the world we live in.

So we label them as lazy and lean toward denying them assistance because we judge them on our own personal scale rather than stepping out of our own paradigm and considering that there may be a whole bunch of other ways of being a human being that we do not even understand.

It is pretty clear that the majority of homeless people live with disabling mental health issues.

I've gone to McDonalds at 4 AM after a late night debauch of my own and had discussions with homeless geniuses - literal geniuses who can speak at a PhD level about history as an example. I actually know of a PhD who barely survives to all appearances, working as a parking lot attendant.

Again, I apologize for my digression. The topic here is supposed to be about landlords and tenants and so on. But I admit to being frustrated with the ubiquitous ad hominem perspectives found on this type of forum.

[fintstone]

I really don't understand the claimed compassion for people who choose not to pay a just debt. They are dirtbags of the highest order. They are not homeless...but rather, living in someone else's home without paying the agreed to (by both parties) rent. Personally, I have more compassion for the person whom they steal from (that still has to pay their bills). I suggest that anyone so concerned with freeloaders having a nice, free place to live, they should invite them into their house to live.

There is no shortage of jobs or social welfare in this country. Excuses for bad behavior is the last thing they need...they already have plenty of their own.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by fintstone

I really don't understand the claimed compassion for people who choose not to pay a just debt. They are dirtbags of the highest order. They are not homeless...but rather, living in someone else's home without paying the agreed to (by both parties) rent. Personally, I have more compassion for the person whom they steal from (that still has to pay their bills). I suggest that anyone so concerned with freeloaders having a nice, free place to live, they should invite them into their house to live.

There is no shortage of jobs or social welfare in this country. Excuses for bad behavior is the last thing they need...they already have plenty of their own.

Just you wait Fint...the USA is purposefully burning the value of the USD ..leaving everybody in the world who took the USD in good faith holding toilette paper.Just so you could continue to have a higher standard of living as an American than otherwise would be warranted..so that makes you Fint as an American a dirtbag..

Now do you know why Americans are hated so. So lets get real dirtbag.

Now what kind of people purposefully use a postion of trust to there own selfish ends..and what kind of people exhault that behavior as being virtious? Jesus wont forgive you for what you have done..and youwill get your just rewards...why just take a good look around and you if you are honest with yourself will realize how far you have fallen.

Americans have turned as a people into rat shyte.

[ckelly78z]

This thread isn't about the perpetually lazy, corner bum, it is about once productive folks who have decided to game the system. These folks at one time were responsible enough to hold a job, pay their bills, and rent, and be a productive member of society on a daily basis...living a hard life, but getting by nonetheless.

The continuing government handouts has (purposely ?) created these wards of the state, that now know no difference, and have no motivation.

[black73]

Originally Posted by ckelly78z

This thread isn't about the perpetually lazy, corner bum, it is about once productive folks who have decided to game the system. These folks at one time were responsible enough to hold a job, pay their bills, and rent, and be a productive member of society on a daily basis...living a hard life, but getting by nonetheless.

The continuing government handouts has (purposely ?) created these wards of the state, that now know no difference, and have no motivation.

FIFY........

This thread isn't about THE MYTH of the perpetually lazy, corner bum, it is about once productive folks who have decided to game the system. These folks at one time were responsible enough to hold a job, pay their bills, and rent, and be a productive member of society on a daily basis...living a hard life, but getting by nonetheless.

The continuing government handouts has (purposely ?) created these wards of the state, that now know no difference, and have no motivation

[ckelly78z]

Originally Posted by black73

FIFY........

This thread isn't about THE MYTH of the perpetually lazy, corner bum,

I didn't know that a majority of the street people who live in squalor was a MYTH ?

[black73]

OOps! I screwed that up. I'll try again...

Originally Posted by black73

FIFY........

This thread isn't about the perpetually lazy, corner bum, it is about THE MYTH of once productive folks who have decided to game the system. These folks at one time were responsible enough to hold a job, pay their bills, and rent, and be a productive member of society on a daily basis...living a hard life, but getting by nonetheless.

The continuing government handouts has (purposely ?) created these wards of the state, that now know no difference, and have no motivation

That's better.

[daepp]

I love Purry’s self-righteous contributions; they divert focus from the root problems.

It’s the virtue-signaling zeitgeist. “Be more kind like me.”

I think there’s plenty of kindness being proffered herein - much of it from those evil “rent seekers”.

Purry is no more compassionate than anyone else here - he just believes in a different way to dole out that compassion.

And I, for one, believe his (and many others’) methods fail to remedy the problem in the long run, and end up doing more harm than good.

And I will no longer accept AT ALL that teaching personal responsibility, character, honoring debts, working hard etc lack compassion. In fact, I believe they the represent the kindest way to help those less fortunate. And this comes from someone who believes he will be judged one day for how he helped those less fortunate than I.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by ckelly78z

This thread isn't about the perpetually lazy, corner bum, it is about once productive folks who have decided to game the system. These folks at one time were responsible enough to hold a job, pay their bills, and rent, and be a productive member of society on a daily basis...living a hard life, but getting by nonetheless.

The continuing government handouts has (purposely ?) created these wards of the state, that now know no difference, and have no motivation.

You mean productive people like Bill Gates, Bill Clinton and Alan Dersowitz who associated with.Epstein who pimped out children to be fked..

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by ckelly78z

This thread isn't about the perpetually lazy, corner bum, it is about once productive folks who have decided to game the system. These folks at one time were responsible enough to hold a job, pay their bills, and rent, and be a productive member of society on a daily basis...living a hard life, but getting by nonetheless.

The continuing government handouts has (purposely ?) created these wards of the state, that now know no difference, and have no motivation.

Nailed it.

[ckelly78z]

Originally Posted by tabs

You mean productive people like Bill Gates, Bill Clinton and Alan Dersowitz who associated with.Epstein who pimped out children to be fked..

No !

[sewell94]

Originally Posted by Purrybonker

There is a fundamental perspective that creates a divide in how we view and judge each other...

Free will.

Many of us credit ourselves with our accomplishments and attributes and are trigger quick to look down upon others who, in our assessment lack the same.

Fat shame, poor shame, lazy shame. Name it shame.

Well, to keep things in context of this thread. How about the example of a wealthy person leaving a portfolio of income producing rental properties to a ne'er do well, drug abusing, debauched off-spring?

The same sort of decrepit, to all appearances "lazy, non-contributing", dude as is being harangued repeatedly in this thread.

In our culture and narrowly within this thread, said lazy butt off-spring is an example of a fine upstanding member of society, whereas his doppelganger, lacking a wealthy birthright is not.

One is implicitly virtuous, the other not.

The same principles apply to birthrights of brains, work ethic, mental illness, physical disabilities. None of us can take credit for any of the hundreds of lotteries that most of us have won.

But we do it repeatedly, in spades.

It is shameful and completely unproductive to be critical of the disadvantaged and evidence of massive hubris in crediting ourselves for being born and raised with qualities that have allowed us to be successful.

Such thinking is also self-defeating. We dislike the poor and street people - they make us feel just a little bit more crappy about the world we live in.

So we label them as lazy and lean toward denying them assistance because we judge them on our own personal scale rather than stepping out of our own paradigm and considering that there may be a whole bunch of other ways of being a human being that we do not even understand.

It is pretty clear that the majority of homeless people live with disabling mental health issues.

I've gone to McDonalds at 4 AM after a late night debauch of my own and had discussions with homeless geniuses - literal geniuses who can speak at a PhD level about history as an example. I actually know of a PhD who barely survives to all appearances, working as a parking lot attendant.

Again, I apologize for my digression. The topic here is supposed to be about landlords and tenants and so on. But I admit to being frustrated with the ubiquitous ad hominem perspectives found on this type of forum.

No doubt there are people who mental issues, and need help. Most are addicts, who have self inflicted these wounds.

The issue here is that no-one wants to be accountable for anything anymore, including themselves. A lot of people make excuses for these people. This is has gotten worse over the past 20 years (I’m assuming we can agree on that point). People really don’t change; what has changed is that there are no consequences for making bad choice after bad choice. Safety nets have turned in to permanent support systems.

Go ahead, go do meth on the street, go shoot up some dope, toss your needles anywhere. You need something, just go steal with from the store on the corner, we made it practically legal, so you won’t get into trouble. The problem is the places that are having major issues, are allowing people to self destruct. It is shameful and completely unproductive to allow and promote these disadvantaged to just waste away to nothing, Such thinking to allow these people to do so is also self-defeating.

One may hate and dislike these people, I do not, so please don’t make it a “WE” thing, I can recognize that allowing this to go unchecked is harmful to them, it is harmful to everyone, and apparently contagious. You seem like a person of above average intelligence, how can one be blind to the fact that having no consequences is essentially promoting this, where is the compassion to prevent and to disallow these people to ruin themselves, and usually the people around them. You want a pound of cure, I want an ounce of prevention.

Not far from my shop, is an apartment building, 12 unit building, rented as all utilities included. Every tenant quit paying rent, after like 6 months the owner of the building quit paying utilities because they couldn’t afford it anymore. The owner of the building is now in the court system as the bad guy. Last I heard the building was being condemned.

Many people are taking advantage of the situation, Go read about Calhoun’s Universe 25 experiment, and tell me that you don’t see the parallelism to which direction our society is moving.

[daepp]

Originally Posted by sewell94

Go read about Calhoun’s Universe 25 experiment, and tell me that you don’t see the parallelism to which direction our society is moving.

Wow, that was an interesting read, thanks for sharing.
(Not to mention an interesting tie-in to some children’s books mine used to read.)

[thor66]

Originally Posted by look 171

Oh, one more thing about the homeless. When I was up in Vancouver a couple years ago, I saw little homeless folks. Come down here, the whole of North America's bums are living here. I tell you this, the willing group of homeless are a very small percentage and I agree, they struggle. Most of them are just simple bums, drunks, and druggies, young, prime working age that just want to get high and hang out. This has nothing to do with housing going through the roof. If so, they can go home or to a state that has affordable housing. Why come to the most expensive state or city and btich about the cost of housing or living? That's the biggest crock I have heard.

the Canucks have national health care - doesn't it include mental health?

[Por_sha911]

And the fight continues!

Groups against President Biden’s new coronavirus eviction moratorium appealed one day after a federal judge ruled it could stand, according to reports.

Two chapters of the National Association of Realtors and a group of landlords requested "immediate" action from the Washington, D.C. Court of Appeals on Saturday and may get a ruling by the end of next week, according to Politico.

D.C. District Judge Dabney Friedrich, a Trump appointee, ruled Friday the scaled-back ban could stay in place because of a June appeals ruling that kept the previous version in place and that the U.S. Supreme Court didn’t reverse. She did say, however, she believed the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had overstepped its authority in issuing the ban.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=11423716

[look 171]

Originally Posted by daepp

I love Purry’s self-righteous contributions; they divert focus from the root problems.

It’s the virtue-signaling zeitgeist. “Be more kind like me.”

I think there’s plenty of kindness being proffered herein - much of it from those evil “rent seekers”.

Purry is no more compassionate than anyone else here - he just believes in a different way to dole out that compassion.

And I, for one, believe his (and many others’) methods fail to remedy the problem in the long run, and end up doing more harm than good.

And I will no longer accept AT ALL that teaching personal responsibility, character, honoring debts, working hard etc lack compassion. In fact, I believe they the represent the kindest way to help those less fortunate. And this comes from someone who believes he will be judged one day for how he helped those less fortunate than I.

Just don't dole out my doe. Is is all I am asking. If it cost me, fook-of, I am not interesting in helping unless I know the person or people.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

And the fight continues!



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=11423716

It really doesn't matter what it is or which way it rules (of course, I want it to lift asap) but the monetary damage has been done and there's o way to get taht money back unless the fed wants to give that back to all the lost. I don't see the gov or county giving us a tax break or ban on paying property tax because of covid. Oh no, no, no, they aint that stupid, not if it hurts their accounts.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by sewell94

No doubt there are people who mental issues, and need help. Most are addicts, who have self inflicted these wounds.

And 99.9% of those addicts grew up hearing "Just say no" and don't do drugs, and all the other lip service messages. Not one of them thought drugs were cheap or safe.

The made a purposeful deliberate choice to take said drug, be it alcohol, a joint, or snort cocaine. Very few were held down and drugged by someone else just to make them an addict.

Bottom line, they made a choice of free will to do drugs. Cigarettes or tobacco, is likely the number one gateway drug of all time.

[daepp]

"As of June 30, only about 6,600 households in CA have received $73 million since January, while roughly 94,000 tenants have sought more than $775 million."

From CalMatters

Sounds like a great system to me.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by daepp

I love Purry’s self-righteous contributions; they divert focus from the root problems.

It’s the virtue-signaling zeitgeist. “Be more kind like me.”

I think there’s plenty of kindness being proffered herein - much of it from those evil “rent seekers”.

Purry is no more compassionate than anyone else here - he just believes in a different way to dole out that compassion.

And I, for one, believe his (and many others’) methods fail to remedy the problem in the long run, and end up doing more harm than good.

And I will no longer accept AT ALL that teaching personal responsibility, character, honoring debts, working hard etc lack compassion. In fact, I believe they the represent the kindest way to help those less fortunate. And this comes from someone who believes he will be judged one day for how he helped those less fortunate than I.

Excellent