"Say no to gasoline
Go 100% electric"

[Honda (gas) generator humming along side.]

That's funny right thar. :D

I can see it now …in 2032, For sale, 1972 Porsche 911. Restored in 2023. Can drive once a month only at vintage racing track in Palm Springs California . $2500 firm.

Obviously, pushing both consumers and energy companies towards renewable sources is part of the path towards going carbon neutral.

I don't think anyone believes buying an EV alone is anything more than a nod towards reducing their carbon footprint.

I think it's cool to see the steam powered cars come out for some of the bigger local car shows.

Stanley Steamers were the fast cars of the day. :rolleyes: "carbon neutral" "renewable sources"

Such propaganda.

Carbon is a "renewable source" and the carbon cycle is always balancing to "carbon neutral"

You do know that life depends on carbon, right?

This statement is trotted out here so often that it has become accepted wisdom. It is false. Grid expansion of about 10% per year will be adequate, and that's noit unachievable. On top of that, the capacity of the EV's can bolster the grid during peak demand, rather than hurt it.

True ICE engine development stopped a long time ago. We see incremental changes and minor updates. No one is building new plants and designing all new engines because there is no value in it, no return. The future state isn't just driven by regulations, it's driven by money.

I'd love to argue this but you can simply read the IPCC report issued today regarding the direction of mean temperatures over the next two decades and how that will affect human life for the coming generation.

:rolleyes: Yeah, nothing political there. :rolleyes: - Carbon credits for sale!

Hey, did you know that the sun increases in size as it burn mass and gravity decreases. And that no matter what we do this planet will be cooked by the sun?

I guess if you easily dismiss scientific consensus as political propaganda, we have nothing of substance to discuss.

People who use "scientific consensus" for their argument have no clue as to what is science and what is political push.

Oh okay.

Political funding and aggregation is what drives "scientific consensus" w.r.t. AGW.

If you can not see that you are a fool.

I don't think he has the ability.

There are no perfect solutions but a push to mandating EVs is a perfectly BAD solution.

Tell that to people who don't have a garage.

If you're gonna argue about carbon and coal and the grid might as well start arguing about how much lithium there is and where it's located.

I know it will sound hypocritical, but I have two EV’s and I charge at home. I also own a few apartment buildings with carports. I can safely say at this time that I am not going to retrofit any of the carports or spaces for charging,

The cost is extreme compared to current rents. Sidewalks needs to be dug out, electric services need to be upgraded, construction, permits, inspections. It’s endless.

And what is my return? Do I raise rents on everyone else? Maybe I wait for city subsidies?

Someone needs to sit down with you and explain the difference between correlation and causation.
Based on our current conversation, I have decided that I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it to you.

He can't see it.

It is worth noting that if one were to pay attention to IPCC meetings this unified accurate consensus doesn't exist.
But there are votes on stuff and funding does tend to create papers with a particular view point as the headline.
There are lots of interesting things, such as solar activity predictions are voted on after a solar cycle has already started and been observed.
This means that news organizations can headline predictive accuracy even when prior to our existing cycle starting climate models were working off a highly innacurrate next cycle prediction.

Weather plays an important but absent role in climate modeling causing predictive inaccurracy.
We will continue to look stupid via inaccurate predictions.
Backwards clock, can be right more than twice a day.
NY still isn't underwater yet...

People desiring power seem to have a dictating role in what gets published within their power spheres.
Then there are those willing to speak otherwise.
It isn't a unified block of consensus on what, when, how, etc...

In light of the hubris, the best thing to do is what makes economic sense in the meantime.
And do more research.