Vaccines are moving the needle... - Page 8

mattdavis11 · 08-24-2021, 05:54 AM

I was talking with a customer of mine yesterday, the right hand man was out and he (owner) had to run the shop.

I asked what happened with Angel (his guy) and he told me their family had a bad couple of weeks.

I'm not certain if all the information is correct, but from what I understood, the right hand man's father in law got vaccinated, became sick and died. Same happened to his wife.

The town of 7500 took a big hit, they were real stalwarts within the community.

I was going to get the shot this week, now I'm back on the other side of the fence again.

1990C4S · 08-24-2021, 06:26 AM

I would suggest that a second hand, and highly unlikely, story should not sway you one way or the other.

There is a lot of info available, read up, make a decision based on facts...

mattdavis11 · 08-24-2021, 06:37 AM

Peer pressure got me this weekend. I was with all of my brothers and Mom and Dad this weekend and they laid it on me. I have had covid, pretty bad too. They started rambling numbers out and I asked them some questions. "Everyone here is vaccinated, which one of us has a higher level of immunity? "What is the percentage of those who had covid getting it again, and what is that number for those vaccinated getting it for the first time?" How do you know? No symptoms, no test right?

Two generations of Vandy grads, pretty smart people. No answer.

MrBonus · 08-24-2021, 06:43 AM

When I want bleeding edge medical knowledge, I skip the doctors and CDC and go directly to my local farmer's market.

1990C4S · 08-24-2021, 06:45 AM

The highest level of immunity from what I have read would be you with one vaccine shot.

Covid + one shot > two vaccine shots

The 'percent' numbers thrown around for different vaccines and combinations are not directly comparable. The bottom line is they are all very effective at saving lives, if not totally preventing symptoms. (IMO).

1990C4S · 08-24-2021, 06:46 AM

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When I want bleeding edge medical knowledge, I skip the doctors and CDC and go directly to my local farmer's market.

I go to TSC. They got some real smart fellers.

mattdavis11 · 08-24-2021, 07:02 AM

My wife has had covid and two shots, which made her sick 3 times. What I don't want is the sickness after a shot(s) if I really don't need a higher level of immunity to fight it off.

KFC911 · 08-24-2021, 07:04 AM

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I go to TSC. They got some real smart fellers.

I trust the Docs more. I've contemplated getting Ivermectin from Tractor supply for my mutt before. I was at the vet's yesterday ... so I picked up Heartworm tabs for both of us. Doctor prescribed and supplied ..... and pricey

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I've done a lot of stoooopid schit in my day .... getting four vaccines earlier this year doesn't even count imo. 2 shingles and 2 covid...

My dawg is smarter today too .... tutored once! She slept through it too

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Originally Posted by mattdavis11

I'm not certain if all the information is correct, but from what I understood, the right hand man's father in law got vaccinated, became sick and died. Same happened to his wife.

I hear these 3rd hand stories claiming the vaccine killed someone, but you never hear it directly and you never see it on the news or in any of the statistics for the shots. Just because someone died in the weeks following a shot doesn’t mean it had anything to do with the shot.

Hell they may have gotten covid before they built up any immunity from the shot and died of covid for all we know.

mattdavis11 · 08-24-2021, 08:03 AM

I'm not basing my decision to get, or not get jabbed on hearsay. I've seen what yhe shot does to those who both, have not had covid, and those that have had covid.

Looks like I need to schedule time off from work to voluntarily get sick again. Who would do that?

Steve Carlton · 08-24-2021, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mattdavis11

Peer pressure got me this weekend. I was with all of my brothers and Mom and Dad this weekend and they laid it on me. I have had covid, pretty bad too. They started rambling numbers out and I asked them some questions. "Everyone here is vaccinated, which one of us has a higher level of immunity? "What is the percentage of those who had covid getting it again, and what is that number for those vaccinated getting it for the first time?" How do you know? No symptoms, no test right?

Two generations of Vandy grads, pretty smart people. No answer.

The information is out there- do some Googling. It's well established that vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity from having COVID. Protection from breakthrough infections used to be over 90%, now it seems to be more like 60%. But what matters is the odds of getting hospitalized or dying is dramatically reduced. Vaccination reduces those odds by 98-99%. Why dismiss the vaccine if the odds are good you might still get it if you're extremely unlikely to get seriously ill or die?

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html

1990C4S · 08-24-2021, 08:16 AM

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Looks like I need to schedule time off from work to voluntarily get sick again. Who would do that?

If you're talking about getting sick from the vaccine, then your thoughts about being sick are overblown. I do not know anyone who has missed a day of work.

mattdavis11 · 08-24-2021, 08:22 AM

I don't know what the long term side effects are after having been jabbed. No one does. We might lose a significant portion of our population because people got jabbed. We just don't know. I know I have recovered, not fully, but I can function. If you got jabbed, later on you might not be able to say the same.

I'm fairly certain I will get sick again if I get jabbed. I don't want that.

Steve Carlton · 08-24-2021, 08:24 AM

Get the Pfizer. Seems like less reaction than the Moderna, especially on the 2nd shot. Plus it's the only one that's FDA approved, although Moderna certainly will be in a few weeks. I just had a little soreness in the injection area for both shots, just like any other shot.

Steve Carlton · 08-24-2021, 08:30 AM

With Delta out there, it almost seems a foregone conclusion you'll get exposed to that. Do you want to risk getting seriously ill or dying against the difference of exposure to the vaccine? This stuff was tested for months before people started getting a shot late last year. Let's say the odds of getting seriously ill/having long term side effects/dying from the virus for you are 1 in 3,000 and the odds of some strange syndrome or the same outcome having had the vaccine are 1 in 1,000,000. Is this that hard of a choice?

Rtrorkt · 08-24-2021, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mattdavis11

I'm not basing my decision to get, or not get jabbed on hearsay. I've seen what yhe shot does to those who both, have not had covid, and those that have had covid.

Looks like I need to schedule time off from work to voluntarily get sick again. Who would do that?

Well, let's see. Take the shot (I did and no affects except my arm hurt where they poked me) and potentially feel a bit bad, or don't take the shot, get Covid, pass it on to others, go to the ICU put healthcare workers in danger and then die.

HMMM, choice, I don't think so

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I had zero reaction from either Moderna shot. In fact, I wanted to have more of a reaction...to feel something...to know that it was working. Nada. Not even a sore arm.

I have heard of people feeling lousy for a day after the vaccine shot, that's it. What is truly strange is that the stories of people having severe reactions or dying a week later only seem to come from red states and are always 2nd or 3rd hand stories. I'm sure that some of them come from conservative Facebook and other sites. I live in the land of the lib squirrel where nearly everyone is vaccinated, I personally know hundreds of people who have been vaccinated plus their entire families and not one weird story about reactions.

It's very strange.

Stick with facts. The vaccine is safe and effective against serious illness and death from Covid-19. All of the people dying in hospitals from Covid right now would give anything to be able to go back in time and feel lousy for a day after a shot.

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Originally Posted by mattdavis11

I don't know what the long term side effects are after having been jabbed. No one does. We might lose a significant portion of our population because people got jabbed. We just don't know.

This is not a logical way to approach this. I wouldn't say that the chances of adverse "long term" affects are zero, but they are probably close. If a vaccine is going to have adverse effects, they are going to show up reasonably soon - not months or years later - it doesn't work that way. The chances of "losing a significant portion of our population"? I'll bet zero...

We do know the potential long-term effects of Covid and they are not good.

Also, your reasoning seems to be "nobody knows the future, so I am going to assume a worst-case scenario" and base my decisions on that. That doesn't make any sense. Especially when that scenario has never occurred in the history of vaccinations.

1990C4S · 08-24-2021, 08:50 AM

Seems like the 'We will all be dead in two years' thread has a few followers.

I am convinced COVID will last ten more years, probably more.

Steve Carlton · 08-24-2021, 08:53 AM

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Well, let's see. Take the shot (I did and no affects except my arm hurt where they poked me) and potentially feel a bit bad, or don't take the shot, get Covid, pass it on to others, go to the ICU put healthcare workers in danger and then die.

HMMM, choice, I don't think so

Let alone overwhelm the healthcare system unnecessarily. There's the cost, and more importantly, the lack of access for those that need it.