Vaccines are moving the needle...

[Rtrorkt]

Let's see, natural infection may lead to death. Vaccines not so much. Choices seem to be wait to get infected (or go seek it out), get the disease, go to the hospital, put healthcare workers in danger, potentially infect others and send them to the hospital or...

just get the shot.

[Steve Carlton]

Skillet- how did you come to hang your hat on Zero Hedge and ivermectin? I'm curious.

Over time, Zero Hedge expanded into non-financial analysis,[c] including conspiracy theories and fringe rhetoric[27] associated with the US radical right,[14][28] the alt-right,[29][30][31] and a pro-Russian bias.[1][32][33][34] Zero Hedge's non-financial commentary has led to a number of site bans by various global social media platforms, although its 2019 Facebook ban[35][36] and 2020 Twitter ban were later reversed.[14][37]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

Suggestion- read up on Anthony Fauci from sane and reliable sources, vs the fringe conspiracy websites you seem to believe in. 80 years old, a true American hero in my opinion, working hard to help the world get past the Coronavirus pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci

[porsche4life]

Fauci literally wrote the books on immunology and epidemiology that we use to teach doctors, but all these FB experts think they know more than him because they “did their research” and watched some YouTube videos from Russian propaganda groups! 🤬

[aschen]

I am not really invested in judging people for wearing or not wearing a mask. I try to stay away from people in general these days, and just a tiny bit further from those maskless. This isn't too far off from how I feel, though the left column seems more likely to me even if they only help a small amount.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by aschen

I try to stay away from people in general these days]

I refer to it as "antisocial distancing"... Hey.. .stay the hell away from me.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by MikeD930

To stop a virus from transmitting we all would need to live in a 'bubble' suit like these used in a lab:

Good point.

1) The human skin is the largest organ of the human body.
It is multi-functional. That is science.
It breathes.
It is constantly exposed to the thick toxic soup of Covid everywhere covering the Earth around us in the air tonight.
In fact, one shouldn't go above ground level unless one wants to get infected. Better to stay in the basement.

2). Same thing happens with the eyeballs.
Whenever they are open, they are potentially exposed to Covid.
So take the Fauci Challenge and apply JBWeld

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by mdj930

It is " reasonably comparable" they both had crowds of approximately the same size.
" Sober and generally quiet" are these what make it a super spreader event? ( Drinking and talking)
" distance encouraged" where did you get this from?
Obviously your just making stuff up to minimize the behavior of the EAA crowed then exploit the behavior of the Sturgis crowd.
Mike

So, you failed to notice the signage at EAA. That's fine. Did you notice everyone working the museum wearing masks? Did you notice anyone at Sturgis even trying? Did you notice the big Covid spike at Monument in Rapid City? They're FULL today. Are any of the Fox River valley hospitals full or even close? "No", they're not.

[mdj930]

I did not see any signs covid related. I also don't go in the museum even though I parked very close to it. So I can't speak on that ( the museum is an extremely small part of the event as people gathering go). I only saw a handful of people wearing masks. As I stayed in a previous post I walked 20 miles the two day's I was there. I saw people trying at Oshkosh just as little as you say they did at Sturgis.( Not that I think either group did anything wrong).
Mike

[island911]

Originally Posted by MrBonus

I don't understand why mask wearing is a hill worth dying on, figuratively and literally. It's such an inconsequential inconvenience and if it slows the spread of a deadly virus during stints indoors with crowds, why is it such a sticking point for so many?

Would you take the unvaccinated version of yourself to a movie theater that was mandatory masks but had 14 covid positive people there shedding? ... because you believe that masks "slow the spread."?

Thing is, with out knowing HOW MUCH masks slow the spread, you have zero idea whether masks have a net positive effect, or a net negative effect (people get closer than they should, because they feel protected.)

Well, until you look at the stat's and see mask compliance shot up and then cases shot up. But let's not apply science to any of this. People feel that they must help, so, end of discussion.

[Steve Carlton]

I'm pretty sure not one person has died from being vaccinated. What proof do you have that its F'ing up or killing a lot of people?

Have you heard of hospitalizations for taking Ivermectin?

[mdj930]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I'm pretty sure not one person has died from being vaccinated. What proof do you have that its F'ing up or killing a lot of people?

Have you heard of hospitalizations for taking Ivermectin?

Aren't you the guy that said he watches CNN, MSNBC and local so he's pretty informed?
Nuf said
Do your own research media not going to do it for ya.
Mike

[Skillet83]

https://freewestmedia.com/2021/08/27/uk-study-most-covid-deaths-occur-in-fully-vaccinated-people/

Newly released data from the United Kingdom show that the vast majority of “delta variant” deaths were among “fully vaccinated” citizens. These deaths also include individuals who had been perfectly healthy before the shot.

They are lying to us about these vaccines. They are suppressing information on treatments that are saving millions of lives. Once you get that jab, be ready for booster rooster for the rest of your days. I do not even trust the numbers anymore. You seriously going to tell me that the Flu shrunk this year by 97%? 600 deaths attributed to Flu 2020-2021 vs. 22,000 deaths in 2019-2020 year and 34,000 2018-2019.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by mdj930

Aren't you the guy that said he watches CNN, MSNBC and local so he's pretty informed?
Nuf said
Do your own research media not going to do it for ya.
Mike

What resources do you rely on, Mike? Do you have any credible evidence that CNN and MSNBC are not credible? Are you saying I should do my own medical research? Nuf said. What's wrong with this information?:

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 363 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 23, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,968 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 40 pages].

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html


How many people have died after getting a vaccine?

Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented.

https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/


VERDICT
Missing context. The posts show number of VAERS death reports out of context to falsely claim that thousands of U.S. vaccine recipients who died after getting the vaccine died as a result of getting the vaccine.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work  here  .   

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-12000/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-prove-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-exceeded-12000-idUSL1N2P21DB

More links upon request.

[Skillet83]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I'm pretty sure not one person has died from being vaccinated. What proof do you have that its F'ing up or killing a lot of people?

Have you heard of hospitalizations for taking Ivermectin?

https://freewestmedia.com/2021/08/27/uk-study-most-covid-deaths-occur-in-fully-vaccinated-people/

Just saw that you are in San Fran. Jeezus, I cannot fix stupid. I would be more concerned with stepping in human chit on a sidewalk or an accidental jab from a needle laying around. Your news sources are CNN, MSNBC, FB and Twitter. I understand the ingnorance now. Twitter bans the 45th President because orange man bad but allows the Taliban and Iran to tweet away, smfh.

Dude, you and I are a universe apart and will never agree on anything. I know as a white, conservative, Christian, I am the enemy now. I will take fly over country any day of the week. You would never know there was a pandemic here, no mask, no lock downs, people going about there business, still hold doors open for people regardless of race, people are very polite and friendly to each other. Probably a good idea because of the number of people that openly or conceal carry. And, not a single one of my renters has missed a rent payment.

I am bowing out this one now. Good luck in that chit hole out west.

[mdj930]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

What resources do you rely on, Mike? Do you have any credible evidence that CNN and MSNBC are not credible? Are you saying I should do my own medical research? Nuf said. What's wrong with this information?:

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 363 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 23, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,968 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 40 pages].

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html


How many people have died after getting a vaccine?

Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented.

https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/


VERDICT
Missing context. The posts show number of VAERS death reports out of context to falsely claim that thousands of U.S. vaccine recipients who died after getting the vaccine died as a result of getting the vaccine.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work  here  .   

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-12000/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-prove-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-exceeded-12000-idUSL1N2P21DB

More links upon request.

This one found me.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-28/japan-investigating-deaths-of-two-people-who-had-moderna-shots

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Skillet83

https://freewestmedia.com/2021/08/27/uk-study-most-covid-deaths-occur-in-fully-vaccinated-people/

Newly released data from the United Kingdom show that the vast majority of “delta variant” deaths were among “fully vaccinated” citizens. These deaths also include individuals who had been perfectly healthy before the shot.

They are lying to us about these vaccines. They are suppressing information on treatments that are saving millions of lives. Once you get that jab, be ready for booster rooster for the rest of your days. I do not even trust the numbers anymore. You seriously going to tell me that the Flu shrunk this year by 97%? 600 deaths attributed to Flu 2020-2021 vs. 22,000 deaths in 2019-2020 year and 34,000 2018-2019.

Skillet, you're relying on unreliable sources. Maybe Ivermectin will prove to have some value (I doubt it), but you're here prescribing this unproven stuff as if he was some sort of medical expert. You're in crazy territory right now until what you espouse is proven. There's 100,000 times more credible evidence that vaccines work, yet you hang your hat on a red herring. Were you previously promoting bright lights under the skin or drinking bleach?

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/free-west-media/

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by mdj930

This one found me.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-28/japan-investigating-deaths-of-two-people-who-had-moderna-shots

Came out today. From your link:

While the relationship between the deaths and the shots is currently unclear, the health ministry will conduct the investigations together with external experts, and continue to assess the safety of the vaccine, according to a statement on Saturday.

Doses from three lots have been halted following reports that foreign particles were found in one of the batches. The deaths were tied to a lot that didn’t have any foreign particles reported, although it was produced at the same facility around a similar time, the health ministry said.

[mdj930]

Steve I have posted this in the past but haven't listen to the whole interview until this morning.https://rumble.com/vhp8e1-massive-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html
You may not like the information he offers. He address many concerns I have.
Mike

[pmax]

Regardless of all the noise, the truth on the failures aka "breakthroughs" matters.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by mdj930

Steve I have posted this in the past but haven't listen to the whole interview until this morning.https://rumble.com/vhp8e1-massive-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html
You may not like the information he offers. He address many concerns I have.
Mike

I haven't looked at the interview, but I'm going to pass.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/lawsuit-former-baylor-scott-white-doctor-used-title-spreading-covid-19-misinformation/287-314400fd-2489-44e2-acf1-da902e247ba4

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93936

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/vaccines-remain-largely-effective-against-delta-variant-counter-to-claims-from-fox-news-guest/