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expatriot98 10-26-2021 10:17 AM

Every gun is real - real, toy, prop. Every gun is loaded. Never point a gun at anyone unless it is your intent to kill them. There are no exceptions.

URY914 10-26-2021 10:22 AM

Good article here about a British "armourer".

https://news.yahoo.com/not-gun-nuts-films-hollywood-123049998.html

"The term “prop gun” is perhaps a misnomer. Working guns – “practical guns” – are real but modified to fire blanks. There are also rubber ones and “air softs” – which are also capable of pumping out air and therefore a projectile too. “Practical guns go ‘bang’, non-practical guns don’t,” says Partridge. “Our weapons are like different golf clubs – you use different ones in different situations to create the right effects.”

There is also a specific process of getting firearms from the armoury to the actors’ hands. “They come out of the armoury, they go into the vehicle – in a special locked box – that goes onto the set with us, and then it goes to the artist,” says Partridge.

Before the exchange to the actor’s hands, two armourers check the barrel. “Both of us will check in case any foreign bodies have got in there,” says Partridge. “What can happen is if there’s a lot of dust, fake snow or grit, stuff can get in the barrel – it might jam the gun or fire grit towards somebody. We go to the artist, show them the gun, show that it’s empty, and say, ‘Here’s the gun you’ve been practicing with all afternoon, we’re putting five rounds into it.’ By now this is not their first rodeo.”

craigster59 10-26-2021 10:32 AM

As more info comes out it just seems to get worse. Apparently they were using the gun for target shooting (plinking) as recently as that morning. We've gone over the protocols but to reiterate, when a gun is not being used on set it is cleared and stored in a safe.

The Armorers I work with all have Class 3 FFL's and practice firearm safety religiously. I'm not sure what this woman's credentials were but it is apparent that she was inexperienced and didn't have any comprehension of how to conduct a firearms safe set.

Even with a "cold" gun, the Armorer is always there to answer any questions the director or actor may have. You still treat the gun as a loaded weapon, don't wave it around, don't point it at anyone, etc.

As we've said before, there is a Lexan shield that protects the camera from blank firing. Live ammo is NEVER used on a film set, there are SPFX techs to take care of any "bullet hits" on actors , set dressing and vehicles. The camera can be operated remotely, no one needs to be behind the lens, you can be 10-12' away and pull focus, frame the shot, etc. With this setup you can safely pull the trigger at the camera.

There were so many rules broken it boggles the mind. My only take on this is that when the crew walked, so did the safety. The Assistant Director is the one responsible for all set safety and the Armorer is the one responsible for firearm safety. They both failed big time.

Crowbob 10-26-2021 11:00 AM

It looks like an obvious disregard for any and all firearm safety protocol. This is on whomever was the on-location executive producer.

It’s beginning to look like there was NO ONE in charge. Plinking? You gotta be kidding me. Management was AWOL in this, whomever management was supposed to be. No wonder the regular crew walked off. Apparently they walked off a few hours or so prior to the accident. If the plinking that was taking place was the impetus for walking (or at least part of the reason) management must have known. In addition, plinking is not silent. Were they plinking waaay far from set and when?

If this is remotely truthful, I would be surprised if this isn’t criminal negligence. It would be criminal anywhere but maybe not at Bonanza Ranch because...Baldwin?

Bill Douglas 10-26-2021 11:38 AM

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otto_kretschmer 10-26-2021 11:50 AM

$28 plus shipping? what a rip

but I want one

rfuerst911sc 10-26-2021 11:55 AM

Rut Ro this can't be good ☹️.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/26/veteran-prop-master-turned-down-rust-over-massive-red-flags/amp/

Crowbob 10-26-2021 12:08 PM

Looking worser and worser by the day for the big shots running this slitslow.

pwd72s 10-26-2021 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by expatriot98 (Post 11498483)
Every gun is real - real, toy, prop. Every gun is loaded. Never point a gun at anyone unless it is your intent to kill them. There are no exceptions.

squirt guns...

drcoastline 10-26-2021 01:13 PM

Plinking? Why are these people plinking on an Alec baldwin movie? He is anti plinking.

Jolly Amaranto 10-26-2021 01:31 PM

It's the forbidden fruit. Invariably when entertaining guests from other countries (such as Germany, France and Australia) at the Armadillo Ranch, the question arises what is in that weird, locked,metal "wardrobe" in the corner. Oh that is a gun safe. You have guns? Just a few shot guns and rifles. Can we shoot them? Well, first we have to go over a bunch of rules.

serene911 10-26-2021 01:49 PM

Press conference Wednesday at noon with the sheriff/law enforcement who responded
and did the search warrant.Hopefully they will give specifics about the gun and what
ammo was seized.

flipper35 10-26-2021 02:26 PM

Oddly in all the coincidences here, Halyna is from the Ukraine.

flipper35 10-26-2021 02:37 PM

The AD, Dave Halls was also the AD on The Crow: Salvation.

Copies and pasted form teh IMDB link.
Second Unit Director or Assistant Director
Antonio F. Cortese ... additional second assistant director (as Antonio Cortese)
Ronni Fisher ... second assistant director (as Ronnie Fisher)
John Glasser ... first assistant director (as John Richard Glasser)
Dave Halls ... first assistant director: second unit / second assistant director
Michael Henessy ... first assistant director
Gary Paul ... second unit director
Bryan Shelley ... second second assistant director

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0132910/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_cl_sm

upsscott 10-26-2021 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 11498556)

Trump Jr. profiting off of the death of someone. Shocker.

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Steve Carlton 10-26-2021 03:29 PM

^ incredible insensitivity and poor taste.

Steve Carlton 10-26-2021 03:34 PM

Supposedly the last photo of Halyna Hutchins alive, taken by an electrician friend of hers and posted on facebook.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1635287637.jpg

Bill Douglas 10-26-2021 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton (Post 11498818)
^ incredible insensitivity and poor taste.




Probably a NYC Jews Vs the Irish feud.

drcoastline 10-26-2021 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton (Post 11498822)
Supposedly the last photo of Halyna Hutchins alive, taken by an electrician friend of hers and posted on facebook.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1635287637.jpg

All's good they're wear masks.

drcoastline 10-26-2021 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upsscott (Post 11498798)
Trump Jr. profiting off of the death of someone. Shocker.

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Hey perma-a-ban, sup? You workin on gettin bannned here too? Spreadin false info?


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