"The gun battle scene used up 800 to 1,000 rounds per take."

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0113277/trivia/?ref_=tt_ql_trv

I forgot about Danny Trejo being in that movie. I need to watch that again.

Craigster,Thanks for that link about Heat. One of my favorite movies as well. Very cool
info about every aspect of the movie. It shows why great movies are great. I'll have to
watch it again with those details in mind. Michael Mann is the man. Love all his movies.

As Seahawk would say, "A little Sea Story about Heat". :)

I worked a couple of weeks on "Heat", mostly cleaning up brass for continuity purposes and the fact you can't leave it behind after filming for obvious reasons. I worked for Chuck Stewart the prop master, he did all of Michael Mann's stuff and he was just a great guy. I worked with him first on Terminator 2, Heat and later on Pearl Harbor.

He had his Wife working on his crew also and I swear to God, they were like Doug and Carrie Heffernan from King Of Queens in real life. Some didn't like working for them but I loved it, they cracked me up!

Anyway, they retired and moved to Kentucky to raise horses, Chuck's no longer with us.

FYI Fun Fact: In Terminator 2, when the steel plant is about to explode at the end, Chuck is the guy in the hardhat that yells "Get the Hell out of here!".

Friggen camera hog! :D

Yeah and his character’s name was Trejo. I guess they thought that he wouldn’t answer to anything else. Either that or it was just one hell of a coincidence. :D

I heard they suggested "Pendejo" but he demanded more money. So they went with Trejo, always cutting corners. :cool:

Wow, that was tense. It must be awful to be in that situation with your family in the car.

Whether you like him or not, I think he handled that well. (Not aimed at you Scott).

Liked the shoot-outs in Heat--Val Kilmer and Pacino especially during the bank heist.

I thought the gun scenes in "Reservoir Dogs" were pretty good too--really showed the desperation and brutalism in trying to get away at all costs (Mr. pink and Mr. white)

I thought he did, too. His gun stance is political, and last I checked, we're entitled to our opinion and to espouse it. On a personal level, I heard the recording of him brow beating his daughter, Ireland. No excuse for that, IMO, but I've never been a parent, so I don't know if that kind of anger winds up getting expressed. How many have said things like that to their children? I honestly don't know.

Sounds like the media was hounding him and he tried to put an end to it.

From what Craig said, he's partly to blame for what happened, since he should have refused the gun from the AD and only accepted a gun from the armorer, who would show him it's empty. I don't hold him accountable for not checking the gun himself- that seems to be the norm for a Hollywood set.

I have no doubt he's sick in his heart over what happened and will have to live with that forever. I think he took safety for granted and it turned out to be a huge mistake.

When people take on the celebrity status, they also oepn themselves up to the paparazzi and the 'hounding'. It is a package deal. Baldwin was boldly outspoken when it came to his political views. He has that right. Unfortunately for him, that boldness (and his reputation as a person) created a much bigger target for the MSM to magnify the story to sell their ratings.
"Its nothing personal, just business"

No I agree. He did a great job. It seemed his wife was very upset and was about to lash out, probably because they were being stalked and the kids were upset. I don’t know if I’d be able to keep my cool in that circumstance.

I'm not convinced his political views had much to do with the media's interest in him. This is a huge story. But I agree it's unrealistic for Alec to think he can cruise around without being followed. He could have kept out of the public eye. But we got some words from him, which was good.

More of a timeline here, with huge unanswered questions remaining. It sure looks like the armorer and AD are completely worthless. And that's an understatement:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/30/movies/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-timeline.html

The thing about AB is that he's had his battles w the paparazzi in the past, under less stressful circumstances than this. Paps and tabloid "reporters" are truly the scum of the earth, just the bottom of the barrel. Different people handle them relatively better or worse, some like the attention. None of us really know what that would be like or how we would respond to it.

He's learned from losing his cool in the past and paying the price for it. He's also a lot older now and mellowed out a little, I think. I follow him on Instagram because he's fairly accessible and friendly there, for lack of a better description. Up until this event, he posted a lot of sort of "stream of conscienceness" commentaries about various things and sometimes I'd listen to them if in the mood or if they seemed interesting. They were rarely political.

I mentioned before that I don't like him but it's just based on a few times meeting him and thinking that he was sort of a dick...nothing serious or egregious, though. Just a big ego. And as I said before, my heart goes out to him now. We have discussed many times in gun threads how you would feel if you shot someone, even if it was justified. Imagine if it was an accident and it was a woman with a kid?? I just can't. :(

I've been following this thread from the beginning.

I've never met AB, and I take other folk's opinion on celebrities with a grain of salt. I prefer letting the individual demonstrate who they are before I make an opinion. And celebs are even more of a challenge just bc of who they are to begin with. Somebody famous for having a knack at telling lies.

That's what "acting" is at it's core. Convincing everyone they are someone else. And the absolute BEST liars are awarded annually.

And I'm fully aware of my hypocrisy bc I really enjoy their work.

However...

AB made it clear to me he's a complete jackass when I heard those recordings. My first thought was "gotta be staged". Because who says those things to their children? I guess it's more prevalent that I want to accept. So sad.

I love my kids dearly. And sure, they've effed up. But that's when they need my love the most.

AB is prob a douche at a level I may not know exists...but I wouldn't wish what happened to him on anyone.

He has my wishes of peace moving forward.

Comments from the AD's lawyer .

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawyer-rust-assistant-director-accused-102045555.html

"not my job" Oh man I have a real problem with people making that claim.

Hugh / Craig who is the 1IC on the set? That is, titles and job descriptions aside who has overall real time responsibility on a set?

I agree " not my job " is just an excuse . It may be clear to the police but I am not sure who REALLY handed AB the gun . Previously it was stated that it was the AD . Yesterday I read an article ( can't find it now ) that said the armorer handed the gun to AB . He placed it in the holster but needed to adjust the holster/belt so he removed the pistol and handed to AD. After the holster was adjusted the AD handed the pistol back to AB.

If the armorer handed AB the pistol then someone lied about her not being back from lunch when the shooting occurred . I hope the police are taking the proper amount of time to do a thorough investigation , get the facts and hold whoever is responsible accountable .

That Yahoo piece is a good example of biased ‘journalism’. A gun did not discharge hitting the woman.

Alec Baldwin shot and killed the woman in an unfortunate lapse of universally acknowledged gun-safety protocol.

The First Assistant Director is responsible for moving production along during the shooting day and to ensure all aspects of safety on the set are practiced. They will normally be standing right next to the actor(s) when the Armorer shows them that the "cold" gun is indeed empty or has dummy rounds.

They also conduct safety meetings to advise the crew of "hot" weapons to be used that day, car stunts, water work, etc. They are essentially production's "Safety Officer".