Wow! What a terrible thing to have happen.

Crew members reportedly walked off the set of the film "Rust" in protest of working conditions hours before Alec Baldwin discharged a prop firearm, accidentally killing the cinematographer and injuring the director.

According to the Los Angeles Times and Deadline, crew members working on the upcoming Western film raised concerns about several problems, including safety issues, prior to Thursday's incident that left cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42, dead and director Joel Souza, 48, under emergency care.

The outlets report that, hours before the fatal incident, members of the "Rust" camera crew packed up their gear and walked off the job in protest and, per the LA Times, were replaced with nonunion crew members soon after. The outlets also noted at least two previous misfires on a prop gun on set days before.




https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/rust-crew-walked-off-set-to-protest-working-conditions-hours-before-cinematographer-death-reports/ar-AAPQuJm?ocid=msedgntp

There was a little more news on ABC tonight.
There were two accidental discharges on set earlier, and most of the camera crew quit over safety concerns.
The assistant director that handed Baldwin the gun declared "Cold Gun", but didn't check it himself.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/crew-members-hospitalized-prop-gun-misfires-set-alec/story?id=80715740
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

so does Baldwin get charged with manslaghter, because as I see it it, if a regular guy points a gun at someone, he thinks is unloaded, and it wasn't and kills him, that's manslaughter. But in a Hollywood set, because he is actor, does he get away with it.

Pity, she is very good looking. Shame the journalists needed another pretty blonde to take over where Gabby Petito left off.

Its not that they don't like guns, they like virtue signaling.
Because the self righteous virtue signaling ends when profits are affected!

This has to be said...

If Mr Baldwin had done some basic firearms safety training this accident would never have happened.
What's the first thing they teach you when learning to handle a firearm?

"You never point a gun at anything you don't want to shoot. Loaded or not it doesn't matter."

How many people have been shot with an "unloaded gun"?

https://www.vulture.com/2021/10/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-what-happened-gun-details.html

From warrant (to search and seize evidence from set):
- Armourer places guns on cart outside set.
- Assistant director goes out, takes a gun from cart, gives it to actor, tells actor “cold gun”.
- Rehearsal starts, actor fires gun.

Unclear:
- If was a normal gun or a “prop gun” (what is that?)
- What gun was loaded with, live ammunition or blank or bullet+primer or what.
- What live ammunition was being used for, who loaded it
- Why asst director and not armourer was distributing guns to actors

That rule obviously can’t be followed when making movies or TV, unless every war, western, cop, etc show in history is CGI’d

This.

That is true. Lt Col Jeff Cooper's 4 laws of firearms safety
1. All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. (For those who insist that this particular gun is unloaded, see Rule 1.)
3. Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target. This is the Golden Rule. Its violation is directly responsible for about 60 percent of inadvertent discharges.
4. Identify your target, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything that you have not positively identified.

Problem: the hypocrites in Hollywood who scream against ownership of firearms make movies glorifying the weapons and create desire for them. In order to make the movie, they have to point a prop gun at other actors or cameramen.

The problem was that the safety protocols were not being followed.

I like it! Let the anti gun folks put their money where their mouths are. Mandate that ALL movies and TV shows use only CGI for weapons being fired regardless of how much money it cost them! Lets see if their self righteous posturing will stand when it costs them something.

Copied from my post in the PARF thread...

What's the second thing they teach you when learning to handle firearms?

"Always confirm the load status of a gun when you first pick it up"

- How long would it have taken Mr Baldwin to confirm that the gun was safe when it was handed to him?

Here's a dumb arse story dating back to the early 80s...

There was a weapons demonstration and display setup in a Northern England Army barracks.
The event was open to civilians, visiting politicians and recruitment people.

Part of the display was an "inert" anti tank shoulder launched weapon. (Carl Gustaf 8.4cm recoilless rifle)

A soldier picked it up and went through the process of firing the weapon and it went off!
- A civilian was killed and two people were injured.

As you can imagine there was a lot of fall out but the soldier was formally charged with not following normal safety procedures.

As much as I disdain Baldwin, he is not responsible for checking a prop to see if it is setup correctly. They pay experts a lot of money to check to see what blank is being used and that the gun is safe.
That said, Baldwin should have refused making movies or TV shows that glorify guns in any way shape or form. His making millions on this movie shows he is a hypocrite who sold out to the almighty dollar regardless of his virtue signaling.

I'll try again...

What's the second thing they teach you when learning to handle firearms?

"Always confirm the load status of a gun when you first pick it up"

In other words: Never take someones word for what has just been placed into your hand!

- So the question becomes why aren't Hollywood actors "required" to undergo firearm training?

Australia actors must have a "movie firearms licence" to handle a gun on set.
I know this because my son was been an extra in Russel Crowe's Movie: "The Water Diviner".
He played to roll of a Turkish Boy Solder and wasn't allowed to hold a firearm because he didn't have a licence.

Daily mail is reporting that it was cap and ball colt navy.

I have a reproduction. And can very easily see how something could get lodged in the barrel or go wrong with the loading process.




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10122433/Gun-killed-filmmaker-Halyna-Hutchins-set-Rust-vintage-Colt-pistol.html

I beg to differ Porsha, he may not be legally responsible but as a life long firearm owner I see no problem with an actor being required to at least do a cursory check of the weapon they're supposed to handle. A quick check list could be:
is the barrel clear?
confirm the ammo type
where do I point this thig?

I agree. The actor should always do their own check.

I 100% agree with you - that makes perfect sense, and may now become SOP in the industry. But this guy has been a pampered, overpaid celebrity almost his whole adult life. Was he ever trained or told to do this? He's the quintessential guy that just shows up, stands where they tell him, says his line, and gets paid a boat load of money to do so. I mean, you see pictures of his family's "assistants" putting his bags outside so he can bug out of town to Long Island until things quiet down. I'd be surprised if he wipes himself.

He is a monumental prick, a walking id, no doubt about it. Still, I wouldn't wish this on anyone including him. I would like to think this would provide him some much needed sense of humility, but none of his other setbacks in life seems to have done so, so why this?