Au contraire mon fraire, not in this case.

When we sign on to a project, we sign a "deal memo" and an NDA. These cover lots of stuff. Safety, sexual harassment, non disclosure of script pages and plot lines, on set photos, etc.

When you work on a commercial for a popular computer and phone manufacturer (that happens to be named after a fruit) your phone can be taken on arrival to set, or the camera lens is covered with a security sticker so that there aren't any "on set" photos taken except with the cameras they provide for "continuity".

There are also "Moles" on some of these sets. The Grip standing next to you scarfing down that breakfast burrito could be inside security hired to prevent "Industrial Espionage".

True story.

Violating a NDA is not criminal, as far as I know.

[QUOTE=craigster59;11511835]Au contraire mon fraire, not in this case.

When we sign on to a project, we sign a "deal memo" and an NDA. These cover lots of stuff. Safety, sexual harassment, non disclosure of script pages and plot lines, on set photos, etc.

When you work on a commercial for a popular computer and phone manufacturer (that happens to be named after a fruit) your phone can be taken on arrival to set, or the camera lens is covered with a security sticker so that there aren't any "on set" photos taken except with the cameras they provide for "continuity".

There are also "Moles" on some of these sets. The Grip standing next to you scarfing down that breakfast burrito could be inside security hired to prevent "Industrial Espionage]

Can you explain Craig? I was referring to criminal law violations. Don't see how plinking or taking live ammo on a movie set would violate such. They certainly would not here in NC.... help me understand. BTW.... I appreciate both your and Hugh's perspective regarding "the business" you both excel in.... it's alien to me. I do know and ptactice gun safety too .... I've been a Jeff Cooper fan for around five decades.

I like to be alone when I shoot .... people scare me... guns don't. I've seen more utter BS in gun stores than anywhere else in my life.... by folks that should know better. And some LEOs are the absolute worst when it comes to gun safety.

We can all learn from this....

Thanks!

True, but the "Deal Memo" explains that you will follow all safety standards of the production company. I would hazard to guess that bringing live ammo onto studio property (they rented the location) is somewhere in there.

Whomever brought live rounds onto the location, I would think that's where the culpability comes from.

Whomever has the deepest pockets, that's where the $$$$$$ will come from.

When we filmed in carry states, we had to have the cast and crew agree, in writing, that they would not bring personal firearms onto company property, which included the rented parking lot, and any all all locatiions. Not illegal but...

Our 12 year old son makes a great vinegar pie. It looks like a dark pumpkin but is like pecan flavor wise (with no nuts).

Another thing is whoever brought live ammo onto the site and did plinking earlier that day knew what they were doing to quite some extent to buy the right ammo. .45 Colt I imagine. So if they knew that much they would have know how to leave the gun empty and safe. So maybe it was a sabotage. I know armourer and AD should have known what ammo was floating around and made the gun safe but it may have been a trap set by a disgruntled soon to be ex-employee of the place.

I think it is very possible that sabotage by a disgruntled employee is responsible.
Someday the facts will give us an answer or it could just slowly fade out of the news like the
Jesse Smollet case.

I think the more likely explanation is total stupidity, negligence, and ignoring of the protocols. Combine that with a worthless armorer and AD and here we are. I certainly hope there is criminal liability found here, but kind of doubt it will. Civil liability for sure.

Robert Blake was acquitted.......

An armorer DOES NOT ALLOW anyone to borrow a weapon, not anyone.

Maybe one working for Alec Baldwin didn't have any say in the matter.

Alec Baldwin strikes me as a somewhat "volatile" person, to be polite. A number of very public outbursts, including a fight over a parking space (he pled guilty and had to attend anger management classes), breaking a reporter's nose, and various other tantrums. Not to mention the abusive relationship he had with Kim Bassinger, and that horrible voicemail that was leaked wherein he called their daughter some terrible names.

So, yeah - maybe an egotistical control freak. As I said earlier, quite possibly very "career limiting" to argue with the man on "his" set, even over gun safety. As a matter of fact, much of the crew walked off that set over safety concerns. In light of that, it is conceivable that the "armorer" had no real authority, and was only there to satisfy "liability" requirements on Alec Baldwin's damn set.

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Jeff,

I haven't read anything about AB pressuring the Armorer to let him "plink".

I haven't either, Hugh. But, to be fair, we haven't heard much of anything from those who walked off, other than they did so over "safety concerns". I would really like to see a few of those who walked off elaborate on this. They started to, initially, but it appears the lawyers have since told them all to STFU.

We have heard generalities about their concerns regarding overall gun safety, but no real specifics. Someone allowed, either through inattention and negligence, or maybe even through specific policies (such as allowing live ammo on set), these unsafe conditions to exist even after having been alerted to them. In the end, this was Alec Baldwin's set. That buck stops with him.

Was he even aware of these concerns? We used to have a somewhat snarky saying about this kind of reporting structure - "bad people bring bad news". In other words, only "trouble makers" bring bad news to the boss. Too many of us have had the "pleasure" of working for that kind of a boss, where most concerns - safety or otherwise - are treated as "bad news" and the poor sap that brought it up finds themselves in that "career limiting" situation.

Is Alec Baldwin that kind of a boss? Like I mentioned, he has demonstrated just how volatile he is, on a number of very public occasions. Where he wasn't even "in charge", where he knew people were watching... how is he when he is "large and in charge", surrounded by only those who are working for him... who need a job...

Anyway, admittedly pure speculation on my part. Everyone who can tell us is now hunkered down, in CYA mode...

all of this

Edit: A REAL armorer would not allow plinking with guns under their responsibility.

Maybe that's why Alec Baldwin didn't hire one. He needed one who wouldn't talk back.

Looks like they are putting the kibosh on that theory. Supposedly the live round came out of a box of dummy rounds but there were other live rounds found on set.

They didn't say where they were found or how many but I'm guessing they were found on the prop trailer or in the gun safe in the prop trailer.

I've been involved (fringe) in some investigations into sexual harassment and leaking of plot info, set photos, etc to tabloid outlets. These people leave no stone unturned. With accidental death they WILL get to the bottom of it.

Looks like Alec Baldwin is now recommending that a police officer be required on all sets where guns are being handled. Mr. Noir does a magnificent job of addressing this nonsense. I could not agree with him more. Much of what he is saying is exactly what I've been saying all along: there is only one man responsible for this senseless, tragic death, and that man is Alec Baldwin. Gun safety really is that simple. It has to be...

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