My doctor got arrested for murder.

[vash]

that was a hecka good shot!! maybe some luck involved..but I am not even gonna start up with the arm chair quarterbacking speculation stuff.

sucks a guy died.

the big takeaway? the investigation was crazy good!! they put together a puzzle with missing pieces. that's good work.

[Jeff Higgins]

So, in summary then, they have the doctor in the area, even as precisely located as having been right in front of the other guy's truck in traffic, at some point very close to the time of the shooting. They have the frame, and only the frame, of a "similar gun". All sounds very circumstantial to me. I think if the doctor keeps his mouth shut, he'll walk.

I hate these big, splashy announcements when they really don't have much. And I can't get past the utter impossibility of the shot they claim he had made. O.k. everybody, run out and sit in your truck or car, make your little gun hand, and see if it's even possible to shoot a driver behind you in traffic. It's not. Next to you, certainly. In front of you, hmmm - kinda doubt it. Behind you? NFW...

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

So, in summary then, they have the doctor in the area, even as precisely located as having been right in front of the other guy's truck in traffic, at some point very close to the time of the shooting. They have the frame, and only the frame, of a "similar gun". All sounds very circumstantial to me. I think if the doctor keeps his mouth shut, he'll walk.

I hate these big, splashy announcements when they really don't have much. And I can't get past the utter impossibility of the shot they claim he had made. O.k. everybody, run out and sit in your truck or car, make your little gun hand, and see if it's even possible to shoot a driver behind you in traffic. It's not. Next to you, certainly. In front of you, hmmm - kinda doubt it. Behind you? NFW...

Maybe he used the rear view mirror and shot "Annie Oakley" style?

[pete3799]

Was he left handed?

[pwd72s]

For sure another "wait for the trial" event. But then, what's the fun in that?

Speculate away, guys.

[Baz]

I can't wrap my head around someone being so angry at another driver they would actually shoot them with a gun.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by pete3799

Was he left handed?

^^^^ This .... being a lefty I could make that shot through my F150 rear window. In fact... everybody I've ever shot at has been that way ...

[aap1966]

Originally Posted by Baz

I can't wrap my head around someone being some angry at another driver they would actually shoot them with a gun.

When I commuted to work on a motorcycle, I was run off the road for laughs. So yeah, I can see it happening. Especially if there's a little meth involved.
For some people, avenging hurt pride becomes so overwhelmingly important that they genuinely can't see the consequences beyond that step.

My daughter had to sack someone in retail because a customer innocently bumped into them, and apologised. (All on tape) The employee took this as such a slight that they began pushing the customer trying to start a physical altercation. The customer tried to deescalate and work away with the employee yelling in their ear "Let's do this."

When my daughter said to the employee "You know why you can't stay?" the girl just said "yeah, I need to work on my anger".

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by KC911

^^^^ This .... being a lefty I could make that shot through my F150 rear window. In fact... everybody I've ever shot at has been that way ...

I'm ambi-shooterous (I just made that up) and shoot pretty much equally well with both hands. So, I thought "hmmm?..." and went out and sat in my Land Cruiser to check this out. I just couldn't do it. No way. Not even close. Try it...

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by vash

that was a hecka good shot!! maybe some luck involved..but I am not even gonna start up with the arm chair quarterbacking speculation stuff.

sucks a guy died.

the big takeaway? the investigation was crazy good!! they put together a puzzle with missing pieces. that's good work.

Good post. Very likely he didn't mean to kill, but that's what happened. Again, arm chair quarterbacking, but if the doc fired only once, he wasn't in for the kill.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I'm ambi-shooterous (I just made that up) and shoot pretty much equally well with both hands. ...

That makes you amphibious! A star basketball player from NC State decades ago was the same way ... or so he said in an interview.... it's still funny !

I'll probably get some strange looks tomorrow while at stoplights.... pow, pow, pow .... or is it pew, pew, pew?

[creaturecat]

standing his ground clause.
'til proven otherwise.

[aigel]

It may be challenging to get rid of the murder weapon in a state that keeps a record? If you are a murder suspect with a gun in the right caliber registered to your name, cops will want to know what happened to the gun. Is this why he threw out the barrel? Why the slide though? It sure would have been better to throw it in the lake and claim you lost it and forgot to report. Or replace the barrel in a non-traceable way. Not all guns have serialized barrels, do they?

I am with Jeff on how they will convict him if they can't link his gun to the murder 100%? Do they have more physical evidence such as powder residue in the seats? Is that how they know he shot out the rear window? The only way I can see him pull off the shot out back is by putting the truck in park, unbuckle and then moving into a prone position on the center console to open fire.

We still don't know if it was a two shot only deal? The article said one shot in head and one in neck.

[sc_rufctr]

A spent round can be matched up to a slide because of the marks an extraction claw makes on an empty case.

[aigel]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

A spent round can be matched up to a slide because of the marks an extraction claw makes on an empty case.

Ah, the extractor is part of the slide indeed. So, he needed to at least change the extractor bits. It is tough to commit a crime these days. How do you even buy something like a new extractor or barrel without leaving a trace?

[svandamme]

A lot of context missing.. when did they figure out it might be the doctor, and did they search his house and truck? ? 2 years after the shooting??

And the gun they found that was similar.. there's no similar or not, either the forensics of the barrel and gun match the slug they recovered. or not.

Shooting through rear back window sounds like some pretty fancy shooting, I bet the cops couldn't repeat that shot if they tried 20 times in a row

The article sounds like they have a lot of circumstation hints that maybe he did it.
He needs to stfu and let his lawyers do the talking now.

if he DID do it, and they DID find the actual gun 2 years later : he's a moron.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by aigel

It may be challenging to get rid of the murder weapon in a state that keeps a record? If you are a murder suspect with a gun in the right caliber registered to your name, cops will want to know what happened to the gun. Is this why he threw out the barrel? Why the slide though? It sure would have been better to throw it in the lake and claim you lost it and forgot to report. Or replace the barrel in a non-traceable way. Not all guns have serialized barrels, do they?

I am with Jeff on how they will convict him if they can't link his gun to the murder 100%? Do they have more physical evidence such as powder residue in the seats? Is that how they know he shot out the rear window? The only way I can see him pull off the shot out back is by putting the truck in park, unbuckle and then moving into a prone position on the center console to open fire.

We still don't know if it was a two shot only deal? The article said one shot in head and one in neck.

in the US you can simply get a new barrel, new extractor, even a new slide.. you replace all the parts that leave a mark, with new bits bought at Brownells or any gunshop.

Obviously if it was used in a crime , you'de probably be best t get somebody else to buy those parts for you..

In europe it's a lot more difficult since most parts here are regulated.. especially barrels.. in UK it's even stricter, for instance, the smallest parts even are considered regulated..

Either way, getting rid is not difficult.. And most guns aren't registered anyway.
Just put an axle grinder to it, small as possible
chuck em out inside your empty coke and beer cans ..done.

a gun not found is a gun not matched.
and the story about how a registred gun is no longer in your posession : let your lawyer do the talking.. do not say a word

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

A spent round can be matched up to a slide because of the marks an extraction claw makes on an empty case.

revolvers are best (or a double barrel shotgun), leave no brass behind.
automatics are just no good for anything that will be investigated.

[Jeff Higgins]

Connecticut has no handgun registration, so there is no way Vermont police could have used any such list to determine this doctor owned this gun.

Slides and barrels are not serialized components. There are no numbers on them. Only the frame, or receiver, is serialized and has any numbers stamped into them.

While the extractor certainly leaves a mark that may, in some cases, still be used to identify a particular gun, modern manufacturing has rendered most of them so uniform that this has become all but impossible. This really depends upon the age of the firearm, when it was manufactured. In the last decade or two, forget it - almost impossible to make a conclusive match. And, again, that is entirely dependent upon recovering fired cases in the first place. I bet they all remained within his truck.

Powder residue in the truck? Two years after the fact?

And, again, they did not recover the whole gun - the slide and barrel are gone. All they have is a grip frame. The doctor owes them no explanation for that. Plenty of hobbyists have gun parts and incomplete guns laying around. If it was his only gun, that is kind of weird, but he still owes them no explanation.

[Gretch]

Sounds like he already admitted to it though, Jeff...........

Daily mail says he told the cops he was having a "chitty day".........

This covid crisis seems to have drawn the demons out of a LOT of people.