China 737 crash

[KNS]

Originally Posted by 911/914gary

This incident was with a 737-800 NG. These do not have the MCAS system that could result in runaway elevator trim. That was an issue on the 737-MAX series.

It is unnerving that as the aircraft descended, for about 2-3 minutes, no distress call from the flight crew was made.

It's been reported Air Traffic Control attempted to contact the crew several times with no response.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by pavulon

Does a black box recorder "survive" a 3xx mph to zero impact?

Originally Posted by Evans, Marv

Was supposedly approaching the speed of sound toward the end.

More like a 7xx mph to zero impact.

Flew LaGuardia to Cleveland once in a 737. Massive tail wind and flight was super late and it had the after burners on. Heard pilots talking to each other saying they/we were close to Mach 1 ground speed when we departed the jet in Cle. And that was without gravity assist.

[911/914gary]

Originally Posted by KNS

It's been reported Air Traffic Control attempted to contact the crew several times with no response.

Exactly. Hopefully the DFDR (digital flight deck recorder) data is available. This would yield some audio information that could give an indication of what the flight crew was experiencing.

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by 911/914gary

Exactly. Hopefully the DFDR (digital flight deck recorder) data is available. This would yield some audio information that could give an indication of what the flight crew was experiencing.

And unfortunately, we’ll likely never hear the whole story.

[asphaltgambler]

Looks like they found the box..............

[Ayles]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

More like a 7xx mph to zero impact.

Flew LaGuardia to Cleveland once in a 737. Massive tail wind and flight was super late and it had the after burners on. Heard pilots talking to each other saying they/we were close to Mach 1 ground speed when we departed the jet in Cle. And that was without gravity assist.

I am fairly certain there arent afterburners on 737s or any other commercial aircraft (maybe the concord?).

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Ayles

I am fairly certain there arent afterburners on 737s or any other commercial aircraft (maybe the concord?).

He was being tongue-in-cheek.

There are no AB's on any current airliners.

I hope we get the rest of the story.

There was an earlier link in this thread that was fantastic.

BTW, pilot suicide is a real concern in some accident profiles: I have done two military accident investigations and the Flight Surgeons do discuss the probability.

[chapstic2001]

“At present, it is unclear whether it is a data recorder or a cockpit voice recorder,” that has been found, said Mao Yanfeng, an official at the Civil Aviation Administration of China.

[Scott Douglas]

You can bet Air Force One has after burners but then it isn't a commercial airliner is it.

[rumlyne]

i'll take that bet!!

[gordner]

Originally Posted by 911/914gary

This incident was with a 737-800 NG. These do not have the MCAS system that could result in runaway elevator trim. That was an issue on the 737-MAX series.

It is unnerving that as the aircraft descended, for about 2-3 minutes, no distress call from the flight crew was made.

It has a screw jack driven flying tail. The run away stab issue long predates MCAS and the associated issues. I don't think there is a screw jack stab in service without a standing AD against it.

[gordner]

Originally Posted by Scott Douglas

You can bet Air Force One has after burners but then it isn't a commercial airliner is it.

I would happily take that bet.

You don't do afterburners on high bypass turbo fans.

[Brown747]

https://avherald.com/h?article=4f64be2f&opt=0

[911 Rod]

Unimageable how horrific this would have been for the passengers.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by 911 Rod

Unimageable how horrific this would have been for the passengers.

This. Not a lot of time, but every moment sheer terror. The only silver lining...no pain.

[speeder]

I understand suicide but I don't understand taking 130 innocent strangers with you and making them die in an unimaginably horrible way(?)

[asphaltgambler]

Because suicide is in itself ...........selfish.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by beatnavy

Germanwings flight 7 years ago almost to the day.

List of suicide by pilot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_pilot

Terrifying.

Wasn't there also a flight out of JFK, where the pilot and co-pilot were fighting the controls? Egypt Air?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990

[Hawkeye's-911T]

Brings this to mind:

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (MH370/MAS370) was a scheduled international passenger flight operated by Malaysia Airlines that disappeared on 8 March 2014 while flying from Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Malaysia to its planned destination

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by chapstic2001

“At present, it is unclear whether it is a data recorder or a cockpit voice recorder,” that has been found, said Mao Yanfeng, an official at the Civil Aviation Administration of China.

Voice recorder, going by this report.