Found an old pic of my '69 Camaro

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by yellowperil

Those Z28 Camaros had 302 motors and they were beastly, not friendly at all.

I looked up the motor number on mine and it showed being a 283. I'm not sure if I did it right back then, but whatever it was, it was built. I found evidence of a roll cage being inside the car and holes above and below the rear window on the outside, so I think it was flat tracked or something. It had 3.73 gears in it. When I informally raced a friend with a '70 Z/28 350 with 4.11s, I was dead even with him, so there was that.

On my bucket list is a time machine.

[yellowperil]

What's your story on him?

BTW I met him in Tantallon, then hitchhiked home.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by yellowperil

Had to make room for this

Still the best looking Mustang body...ever.

[oldE]

Originally Posted by yellowperil

What your story on him?

BTW I met him in Tantallon, then hitchhiked home.

Probably a different car.
A friend of mine, Curtis Weir, bought a '69 from someone on PEI in the late '90s. He immediately took it to Brittian's body shop in Smiths Cove for a bare metal respray in dark green with a black roof. I remember him telling me the rear fenders had been replaced at some time before he got it and he had them re-do the rear quarters. He wanted it perfect. He had the 302 rebuilt by Armstrongs, then had them build another motor for daily use along with a less aggressive rear end. Even then, he trailered the car to shows, as he claimed his truck, pulling the trailer got better mileage than the car, plus it had a/c.
He said he bought it because, back in the day he had wanted a '69 Z28, but had to settle for a 396 Chevelle. Yeah, so sad. When he got his refrigeration business going well, he could scratch that itch.

Best
Les

[RANDY P]

IIRC the 302 was a short stroke 283 crank in a 4"bore (350) block, solid lift cam, always mated to a 4 Speed and 12 bolt multileaf rear. 7K RPM redline.

[Cairo94507]

I had a '69 Z-28 Lemans Blue with White stripes on the cowl induction hood. The 302 (DZ) motor was one of the best engines I ever built. That 302 would pull hard to 8K RPM. Sold to a good friend who promptly wrecked it. We put a new sub-frame under it, new fenders, hood, grill, etc., and it was good as new.

[DonDavis]

Originally Posted by yellowperil

...snip...Is it OK to say hillibillies?

Absolutely...as long as you bring beer.

signed,
East Tenn Hillbilly

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

Still the best looking Mustang body...ever.

I agree...now. I did not like them (or any fastback) back when I was young...and passed on them for the more standard body style.

[Maltese Falcon]

My '69 SS350 that I picked up new on Vermont Bl. Warren Biggs dealer. Sunday Lions dragstrip regular, Wednesday Van Nuys Bl. cruiser. Sold off in '74 and got into the twisties in a worked 9146 !

[pavulon]

Neighbor had an all original Z/28 about 5-ish years ago. Silver, black interior, black stripes and (unfortunately) vinyl top, M-22 with the characteristic gear noise. He lives and breathes chevy as his dad worked at the local dealership. It made good sounds but was not fast by modern standards. Just not enough torque to be genuinely entertaining. It did look fantastic though and was a dream car of my youth. A guy named Mark Stielow has done some great stuff with a few of them.

[HobieMarty]

Originally Posted by RANDY P

IIRC the 302 was a short stroke 283 crank in a 4"bore (350) block, solid lift cam, always mated to a 4 Speed and 12 bolt multileaf rear. 7K RPM redline.

Made for Trans-Am racing perhaps.

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[MMARSH]

I still think the 69 Camaro is one of the best looking cars ever made......

[masraum]

Originally Posted by RANDY P

IIRC the 302 was a short stroke 283 crank in a 4"bore (350) block, solid lift cam, always mated to a 4 Speed and 12 bolt multileaf rear. 7K RPM redline.

Yep, 302 was a 4" (350) bore block with a 3" (283) stroke crank, IIRC. I think it was a big journal crank.

Originally Posted by pavulon

Neighbor had an all original Z/28 about 5-ish years ago. Silver, black interior, black stripes and (unfortunately) vinyl top, M-22 with the characteristic gear noise. He lives and breathes chevy as his dad worked at the local dealership. It made good sounds but was not fast by modern standards. Just not enough torque to be genuinely entertaining. It did look fantastic though and was a dream car of my youth. A guy named Mark Stielow has done some great stuff with a few of them.

Really? Weird. I thought there were a couple of motors available for the Z28, but it seems the only option was the 302. The other motors were available in the SS, RS, RS/SS, etc....

Originally Posted by HobieMarty

Made for Trans-Am racing perhaps.

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Yes, I'm pretty sure the 302 was made for racing in some series that had either a 5.0L limit or penalized motors about 5.0L.

Originally Posted by MMARSH

I still think the 69 Camaro is one of the best looking cars ever made......

It's a good looking car, but I actually prefer the '67-68 to the '69.

[yellowperil]

Just a couple more pics, not one of my cars. Wish it was was, and a pic of my friends latest Camaros and firebirds

The two close ups not our cars (Blue Z28 and engine)

Thanks for lookin'

[masraum]

Nice. I don't know if I've ever known. I need to do a little googling to see what the difference was between the single 4bbl and the crossram on the 302. I'm assuming the crossram was for racing, but I don't really know.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by masraum

Yep, 302 was a 4" (350) bore block with a 3" (283) stroke crank, IIRC. I think it was a big journal crank.

Really? Weird. I thought there were a couple of motors available for the Z28, but it seems the only option was the 302. The other motors were available in the SS, RS, RS/SS, etc....

Yes, I'm pretty sure the 302 was made for racing in some series that had either a 5.0L limit or penalized motors about 5.0L.

It's a good looking car, but I actually prefer the '67-68 to the '69.

The Z28 was a homologation car for SCCA Trans Am racing. The first year, 1967, they were externally badged as "RS", with "Z28" being the option code for the homologation package. It wasn't until later that Chevy badged them as such. The class limit was 5.0 liters. Oh, and '67 was the only year with wing windows.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

The Z28 was a homologation car for SCCA Trans Am racing. The first year, 1967, they were externally badged as "RS", with "Z28" being the option code for the homologation package. It wasn't until later that Chevy badged them as such. The class limit was 5.0 liters. Oh, and '67 was the only year with wing windows.

Yep, '67 and '68 looked about the same, but the '67 had the vent windows. '68 didn't have vent windows and, I think, had a little side marker light on the bottom front of the front fender.

I think the crank in the '67 302 was a small journal (like a 283), and the cranks in the '68 and '69 were large journal (like a 350).

Besides straight 6s, the Camaros could also be had with 302, 327, 350, 396 and even 427.

[Steve Carlton]

I like the 1st gen Z/28s a little better, myself. Simpler. More scarce- a lot of people don't know there was one.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I like the 1st gen Z/28s a little better, myself. Simpler. More scarce- a lot of people don't know there was one.

For me that body is cleaner than the '69 (which isn't bad).

[Jeff Higgins]

The cross ram 302 was indeed meant for Trans Am racing. Interestingly, though, when I see old Trans Am cars at vintage races, they all seem to be running single four barrel carbs. Here are a few from our local races many years ago. You can kind of see in the Sam Posey Challenger that it's a single four barrel, and it's really obvious in the Jerry Grant (ex Penske) AMX:













Smokey Yunick's Camero was owned by Vic Edelbrock's daughter at the time I snapped the above photos. I believe this is the one with the laid back windshield, flattened out rear window, lowered front on the hood, and lowered rear part of the trunk lid. He was always careful to not park it anywhere near another Camero in the tech line, but finally got busted at Sebring. From what I remember, it was running a single four barrel as well, at least when I saw it.

Here is an interesting one (not my photo). Small block Chevy fans will immediately recognize that something is afoot. Smokey ran this motor for a short time, can't remember which year, but it finally got banned. Not "production based". See if you can figure out why...