Not much I have not driven , with the exception of the high dollar super cars
I would agree that a miata or most small 2 seater sports cars are fun, but I get big **** eating grins in any newer 911 variant .
If you cant find joy behind the wheel of any 911, you need to up your meds . Still , one of the best driving and unique road car experiences there are . 996 and up .
By todays standards anyhow .

ive never driven a 911 past the 991.2s, those cars were not the peak of the porsche brand IMO. again, not bad cars, just the least fun cars, mostly due to the turbo engine, in a long time.

if anything they get more fun the older they are. not the other way around.

gotta separate performance, from emotion. a car can be wicked fast, and boring as hell to drive (like a Tesla performance). meanwhile a car might be slow as balls, and yet amazing fun to drive (TR6).

I thought my old '88 targa was tons of fun. It was more fun than my '97 miata, and at least as much fun as my '04 MSM.

I don't think he can...

3.0SC and 3.2L cars were more like 2500-2700# cars, just FYI.

yeah, but arnt like the really old air cooleds down in the 2000-2200lbs range? im not super familiar with porsches pre ~1975. i cant speak to them being fun or not, i have not driven them.

That is what the blocking function is for and then you guys quote him and we still see his blabber. lol

I believe the long hoods are between 2200<2400#.

I don't think the early cars were <2000#, because I believe that was the target for the '67R (which they blew out of the water)

Interesting thread with a lot of different opinions. I like 997s but don't see getting one until I'm old and can better appreciate it's slide toward GT car nature vs sports purpose one of the early cars. I think even then a Copart car would be good for me as I could take out as much weight as possible to edge it's personality back to early cars.

On early air-cooled 911s being fun or not, of course they are fun, and if they aren't, they are easy to make fun and brilliant to drive though you may have to make trade-offs to achieve your goal, but that's part of the fun of ownership. Two of my own examples, a 73 T and an 84 M491.

The all metal T is down to 2175 lbs with a 3.2, chipped, headers and some stainless steel that identifies as a muffler. So it can have as much as 230 hp, 220 is probably realistic. This is the most fun car I've ever driven and have driven a lot. You can drive it 8/10ths on the road "safely." Only real trade-off is no interior other than a dash and fixed back Momo. You could add 100 lbs with a decent interior easily.

My 84 M491. This is a slow car that handles and brakes extremely well. But when I got it, 5th gear was whining so I put in a 75 915 with a 7:31 R&P. Gearing transformed the car. It is so much fun now. That and I put it on serious diet while having the interior restored. Car is too much fun to put it back in so that sits on the shelf while I love driving the car.

If you could pick one thing that made early 911s the cult status cars they are (OK, were before the bubble but that's another story) it's that they are like a box full of Lego blocks, you make whatever you want whether it's a 69 T with a 3.6 or a tired/once crashed 81 Turbo as a 934 clone, and everything in between.

Of course the later water cooled cars carry on this tradition, plenty of 996 3.4s in Boxsters but you are a bit limited given the higher levels of technology baked into each new year and model.

On 997s, I am always tracking them, will be interesting to see where this one gavels. Well over $100K for sure but how far will it go?

47k-Mile 2011 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS 6-Speed

My '69T weighed 2249# according to the reg and any documents I have regarding the car..

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1723753169.jpg

That same car now weighs 1854# with 200hp efi 2.2L, short gears and LSD, 11x17 rears...Yea its fun...

I'd like a 997, but my 987 gives me smiles every time I drive it.





Don't feed the trolls. Don't quote the trolls

>confirms im correct
>calls me troll anyway

ok. :rolleyes:

probably not the forum to be a Porsche hater.

That's an incorrect generalization.

No dissent allowed here? No non-worshippers?

I get a chuckle out of this statement being tossed around the last few years.
The headlight design with with the front hood line splitting the 'yolk' from the 'white' of the headlight goes back to early 1990s Boxster design sketches. The Boxster showcar hit the stage in early 1993 with that same headlight style concept, although slightly different than the production cars later.
The facelifted 1996 GT1 used the Boxster headlights to tie into the new 986s and soon to be 996s. (Boxsters started selling August 1996)

Not the other way around.

I don't hate the headlight design. I utilized the later all clear ones on my Boxster. They are not the worst thing about the car. :)

It is just a simple PSA

I personally do not consider the headlights to be the problem with 996s, aesthetically speaking. In stock, narrow body form, they look like a Ford Taurus of the time from certain angles. Or a Camry….or something. All of this goes out the window with the wide body models and their body kits, suddenly they are beautiful from most angles.

The interior photos a few posts above show it in its best light, most interiors look best in black or dark grey and the seats and door cards are excellent…I’d even call the doors exceptional. Where it all falls apart is the center of the dash and console, IMO. The instrument cluster is ok but not really “911” enough for me and the glove box area is fine. The center of the dash and console looks straight out of a Ford Ranger to me. Nice enough buttons but nothing remotely Porsche about them. I remember when I had my 996 and my buddy got a new 997…holy **** what an improvement.

im not a hater. i have happily owned two, and currently own one. i guarantee ive done more high performance driving in them than most folks here (though not all). i am very aware of what they are capable of.

im just not blinded by the brand like some folks are. they are just cars. metal and plastic and rubber.

get out and drive some cars, see what they are actually like, and you find out, porsches tend not to be fun. they are not bubbly, they arnt silly. they arnt fun. they arnt cartoonish. they are serious german cars for serious german people to do serious german things in them. this makes them very good cars. just not very fun cars.

996 and 997 are the most femme 911s i think.

personally i like that, i think making cars overly aggressive is dumb. like actual women, i tend to like a hard femme cut a ***** aesthetic.

hit me with some of this **** all day (femme cars with butch aesthetics):

https://i.imgur.com/U2wp4sZ.png

If Femme you mean feminine, I guess I can see that with the 996. Maybe why I like them so much, the soft rolling fenders with the headlights that flow into the front bumper.
Nothing aggressive looking about them. I could see as a turn off to some. I think As a teenager I likely would have liked the wings, splitters and stuff that the new cars have. The old me says “ah, a bit much”. Nice all these varieties exist.

which is a subjective opinion, not objective fact, despite being presented as objective fact.

fun, bubbly, silly, cartoonish, serious, all subjective adjectives, likely the result in many ways of a mindset/notion being projected onto the vehicles due to some perception.

I think we're all completely happy for you to have your opinion. But that's what it is, opinion.

If you start throwing around facts, great, that will be different.