Originally Posted by ted (Post 12491763)

For the last 12 years have been enjoying racing old V8 IMSA GTO or GT1 cars.
The market for those is softer now than it was 10 years ago.
It's not my 401k so no concern as an investment, just a little disappointing that most don't have the time, money, interest or driving experience to give it a try.
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Originally Posted by DWBOX2000 (Post 12491716)

Maybe they are just doing different things and we just don’t get invited.

Originally Posted by ted (Post 12491844)

What makes a good street takeover car?

Stolen
4 door for riders
Soft and no sharp edges on the rear quarters
No lic plates
Tinted winfows
Quick steer rack ratio
Tight turning radius
Avoid long wheelbase
Carry no money while in car
Fireworks and
Pistols waving
Girls not needed
Hoodies

Wut else?

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Originally Posted by RANDY P (Post 12491428)

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**SNORT**

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Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 12491567)

A microwave cooks a steak faster than a charcoal grill, but I would still rather have a grilled steak any day of the week.
The young punks will never understand how good it feels to build something out of nothing, trial and error tuning to get it right, the enjoyment of having actual friends show up for a engine swap and (instead of their “Gamer” friends on line)what it’s like to get grease under your fingernails and how good it feels, taking the test drive at 1am, when it all comes together. I pointed out 20 years ago that shops were going away for actual technicians to nothing but “Installers”, when I went with a friend to pick up his 930 from a shop in Georgia, after 8 months and they did more damage, when the owner was bragging about it HP he was getting out of modern cars ( which was basically just plugging in a laptop and “Reflashing”, to real skill when someone else created software and anyone who can read and follow simple instructions could do.



Not often that I agree with you, but you are dead on about this. When the car does all the work, it takes the fun out. When I had my 964 C4, that benefited from the recall (and Brumos said it you want to upgrade the engine, labor is covered by the recall, and you will be credited for the stock parts) and it was much faster than when I test drove the 964 C4 when it was introduced. A friend called me on a Tuesday and asked me what I was doing tomorrow, I said working, then she said we have Roebling Road tomorrow, no cost and with you, it will only be 5 of us. I was, dang, my track car is not ready, as we were doing a few upgrades. She said bring your street car, only 5 cars on track at the most and hard to beat the price. So I took Patty, so she could work on her tan while I was playing on the track. Being on street tires (17” Cup IIs) and being use of Hoosiers , at first I was taking it easy. But you know how it gets, friends play, a few had their race cars, and I just wanted to see to what extent I could keep up, not really expecting much. Well, we are ripping down the front straight, and the 964 was doing way better than I expected, next thing I know, I’m going faster than my old track car could, and then I see that I’m not only going much faster, but am much deeper going into turn one. I figured I would end up going off, but the AWD, flat out pulled my ass through the turn, so I kept pushing harder. Every time, the C4, pulled me through. After a few laps, it got boring to me, you see, if the car is doing the work, essentially correcting your mistakes, well, if there’s no punishment for your mistakes, then there’s no reward for you and if the car is doing the work. That’s why early 930s and 911s are so much fun, because the risk/reward factor. To drive a early 930 or 911 fast around the track, you truly have to learn and work hard to do so. To me, that’s much more rewarding.
In the local PCA, there was a clown, who leased a RS America when they came out, he had Brumos trick it out, suspension and more. Problem was, he couldn’t drive it for crap, with what should have been a car that would be one of the fastest, he was at the bottom. When the 996 C4Ss came out, he leased one of those, PMS, and all the other tech, all the sudden, he was in the top of the pack, he never improved as a driver (that was clear at DEs) so it was the car driving him. I have always believed, without Risk, there can be no real Reward, which is why I got bored with the 964 (and damn, I regret that I let that go, but used the money in a business. You sir, have have the purest form of Porsche, a 356 Speedster and with that, you gain the most reward for driving it well, even though most modern cars are much, much faster. But a pure driving car is much more rewarding. Funny, a good friend of mine, who raced IMSA in the glorious era, and we know there were basically 2 types of racers then, those who bought a seat to race, and those who got those guys on the pole.My friend is the latter, pushing 80,still a great driver. Owned and raced some of the fastest Porsche’s on the track back then (and owned every year Speedster as well as a few very special Porsches, wanted to drive my Cayenne Turbo, says that is it faster than the full race Porsches he raced (from factory RSRs up) . He still owns and drives some very fast cars, so it isn’t like he his comparing it to say his tube chassis IMSA 911 or his old 906 or factory 924 GTR.
When a car has no soul, it becomes an appliance like a microwave oven.

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12491063)

the reality was muscle was never really a thing.

i mean go back and read/watch some old car reviews. most muscle cars were slow AF. 14-16 second quarter miles, etc etc. SAE gross power, simply made up power figures ... like lots of shens going on there. but the performance was never really there. no one could jump an apple with their front tires, no one couldnt touch the dash ... etc etc. none of this was real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrEL2OQkvOY



old muscle cars have been tainted by modern performance engineering, and rose tinted glasses. those cars can be plenty fast, with much more modern CNC heads/headers/carbs, modern tires, suspension, etc etc. but stock, these cars were never fast. all those stories are largely just ... not true. now, maybe you could do some of the stories, but back then ... nope. not even close.

for context, a gr86 does 0-60 in 6.5, and the quarter in 14.0 at 101. so like if you can touch the dashboard in that car (and you can), you could touch the dashboard in these old cars. no one was jumping the front tires etc.

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12491910)

this is just dumb ass ageism.

the young car people i know, could probably race circles around you, and out wrench you in heartbeat, all while laying on a frozen lake changing out a clutch in -10 degrees. get ****ing real lol.

stop watching TV, get off the internet, and show up to a race, and see whos there. get out of cheap seats, come do something instead of talkin.

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Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12491906)

whats funny?

hell, the honda mini van beats a E type and 356 around cones too, off the showroom floor on stock tires:

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/soccer-moms-revenge/




the difference is no one in imported sports cars is dumb enough to make the absolutly stupid claims people make about old muscle cars. you know, like afterburn does.

what, was this news to you randy?

Originally Posted by RANDY P (Post 12492047)

You can stop with young people are better than old now- if you think anyone is still on bias-ply tires,