Pre-ground coffee or beans?

[mjohnson]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

My wife and I were toying with the idea of getting a Jura EN8, what's the consensus on flavor and ease of maintenance? We tried it at the local Sur La Table but they were using Illy beans which I'm not a fan of. It was an okay espresso, but not really better than a cup-fed nespresso.

Zero complaints on three that I've purchased. The first, sent into office duty, didn't need a factory refresh until nearly 20k shots. The second, first at home than handed down into another office, over 15k and I haven't heard of issues.

Our current home unit, a J8 I think(?), is maybe 5k in with similar pain-free performance.

All fed only RO water, cleaned with the Jura tabs per the machines' demands and "descaled" with more RO because you can't convince the things that you're giving it mineral-free water.

I can't comment much on the milk systems. Our household doesn't really do milk drinks and any that I had in an office banned milk due to cleaning hassle/risk. We'll do it for house guests and I would for VIPs at work. For quality, like the espresso it's better than probably 80% of what you'll get at shops. Not the best in your life but it capably gets the job done.

My only complaints with the systems are the small water tank volume and difficulty managing oily beans with the grinders. Also, our latest one sometimes gets confused/angry with the drip tray/grounds waste bits - it'll error out until you really get up in the guts with a rag and a brush. There must be an oversensitive sensor in there.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by mjohnson

Zero complaints on three that I've purchased. The first, sent into office duty, didn't need a factory refresh until nearly 20k shots. The second, first at home than handed down into another office, over 15k and I haven't heard of issues.

Our current home unit, a J8 I think(?), is maybe 5k in with similar pain-free performance.

All fed only RO water, cleaned with the Jura tabs per the machines' demands and "descaled" with more RO because you can't convince the things that you're giving it mineral-free water.

I can't comment much on the milk systems. Our household doesn't really do milk drinks and any that I had in an office banned milk due to cleaning hassle/risk. We'll do it for house guests and I would for VIPs at work. For quality, like the espresso it's better than probably 80% of what you'll get at shops. Not the best in your life but it capably gets the job done.

My only complaints with the systems are the small water tank volume and difficulty managing oily beans with the grinders. Also, our latest one sometimes gets confused/angry with the drip tray/grounds waste bits - it'll error out until you really get up in the guts with a rag and a brush. There must be an oversensitive sensor in there.

That's my experience with my E8. I chalk it up to the beans I'm getting and haven't changed the grind setting for my standard morning (and afternoon) coffee + double espresso routine.

someday I'll get proper beans, lemon peel and change the grind to see what it can do.

[stevej37]

Pre-ground Folgers Classic Roast here.
I use a 4 cup Mr. Coffee and am very happy with it.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by stevej37

Pre-ground Folgers Classic Roast here.
I use a 4 cup Mr. Coffee and am very happy with it.

Try some Peets MD and a few Snappers... it will up yer game

[stevej37]

Originally Posted by KFC911

Try some Peets MD and a few Snappers... it will up yer game

I did try some Peets a while back....The only difference I could tell was that it was twice the price (or more) of Folgers.

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[Por_sha911]

If you really want to be a coffee snob be sure to only use water that was drawn by virgin handmaidens from mountain streams in the same country where the beans are grown...

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by stevej37

I did try some Peets a while back....The only difference I could tell was that it was twice the price (or more) of Folgers.

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Wel then ... stop by my BBQ joint if you insist ... it's excellent, cheaper than both, and comes with BBQ on the side

The coffee roasting is new .... the BBQ joint is almost a century old .... original namesake invented "hushpuppies" too

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by TimT

Grind fresh every day.. I only have one cup so a manual burr grinder is fine...

Then AeroPress or pour over..

And I buy beans from a small local roaster..

I like!

Where do you get needles large enough for that monster syringe?

I want!

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

I like!

Where do you get needles large enough for that monster syringe?

I want!

I'm in .... leave the fish sauce outta mine tho !

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

If you really want to be a coffee snob be sure to only use water that was drawn by virgin handmaidens from mountain streams in the same country where the beans are grown...

A stripper is a decent substitute too...

[TimT]

Where do you get needles large enough for that monster syringe?

The large animal veterinarian

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by KFC911

I'm in .... leave the fish sauce outta mine tho !

Fish sauce is mandatory with a taco followed up with a Marlboro Light…or two.

[zakthor]

Originally Posted by brp914

Last I read, it's not how recent the beans were ground that matters. It's how fresh the beans are after baking, but proper baking and grinding is too much work.

After decades of black coffee I switched to Celsius. They have some interesting carbonated fruit blends + 200mg caffeine.

Its really both. If the beans are old then there's no point. But ground coffee has a lot more surface area per weight so it oxidizes very quickly. If you have good fresh beans you can easily taste an hour in the cup - actually you probably couldn't even pull a good espresso shot with coffee ground an hour ago - stuff won't pack well.

[mjohnson]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

I like!

Where do you get needles large enough for that monster syringe?

I want!

Syringe?

"I don't even know what this is! This sort of thing ain't my bag, baby!"

[berettafan]

One book titled 'Syringes, these things are my bag baby' by mjohnson.......

[mjohnson]

Originally Posted by berettafan

One book titled 'Syringes, these things are my bag baby' by mjohnson.......

Heh...

But seriously, maybe I know a guy that needs some help in the coffee department. Is the whole aero-sucky-coffee thing really worth it? I suspect it's like the french press. Good product but too much hassle?

More on topic - unless I go online, or to a distant (for us) bougie local-ish roaster, whole bean is simply hard to find at ye local Krogers. Maybe some Charbucks or really dark Peets but it's grim out there.

[Ralph3.]

[Shaun @ Tru6]

[911 Rod]

My wife has been buying this coffee for years.
Then the commercial came out!

https://youtu.be/79gcjhiCTao

[jyl]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

That's what I use.